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Jul 30, 2012 09:17:05   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk))
Romney Rumor!
richnash46 wrote:
Evidently this rumor has been circulating on the Internet! It would seem to have the potential to swing the election one way or the other if found to have credibility!

Rumor: Mitt Romney, as many folks know, is a Mormon and someone leaked that if he wins the Presidency, one of his first Executive Orders would be to legitimize the practice of Polygamy throughout the land! The irony of this of course is that if voters believe this rumor to be true, more than likely you will see all the left wing liberal Democrats voting for Romney, and all the born again Christian religious right wing Republicans voting for Obama! What an exciting election coming up! :wink: ;)
Evidently this rumor has been circulating on the I... (show quote)


Sure, why not? How can that be any worse than legalizing gay marriage?
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Jul 28, 2012 16:27:23   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk))
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
Ronny wrote:
The human race is the problem, because they can not handle two important parts of life: Guns and religion.
If those two items do not exist, there was more peace and equality. That opinion is based on 76 years of experience having lived in 5 different continents.


You forgot one important part of life: politics. There are two things that start wars and fights, politics and religion. My father taught me when I was a kid to never discuss politics or religion at work, because it will always lead to a fight. I did not listen to him, but have since learned through experience that it is true.
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Jul 28, 2012 16:23:15   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk))
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
willoughby wrote:
Frank T wrote:
Wilpharm,
Get Real. If the Colorodo shooter was armed with a knife, a bat or a battle axe would he have been able to inure or kill seventy people before he was stopped? If you don't think it's about guns then you are simply in denial.
Let me say this as a responsible gun owner and sportsman. I don't need a 33 or 100 round magazine to hunt deer or shoot clay. I don't need a flash supressor to defend my home. I don't need a colapsable stock to take a rifle to the range. Why can't we introduce some reason into this debate? No one wants to take your guns away if your or sane and not a criminal but why do we need military weapons, other than the my guns bigger than your gun childishness that I see throughout this debate.
Wilpharm, br Get Real. If the Colorodo shooter w... (show quote)


Absolutely. You don't need a 20 pound hammer to kill a fly and you don't need an assault rifle to defend against a punk with a saturday night special.
quote=Frank T Wilpharm, br Get Real. If the Col... (show quote)


No, but it wouuldn't hurt to have an assault rifle to defend against a punk with an assault rifle! I'm sure the saturday night special that control control advocates think is all a law abiding citizen should have (and that is stretching it) won't be much defense against the assault rifles the criminals will have. Remember the shootout in California with the bank robbers? They had assault rifles, during the active ban on them, and the cops did not. They had to go in search of guns that were capable of bringing the armed and armored robbers down. The criminals had illegal weapons, and the law abiding citizen did not.
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Jul 28, 2012 15:54:40   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk))
Gun control
cudakite wrote:
Be nice, not everyone has the training, skills or the stones to stand up and protect themselves or others when these head jobs decide to kill a bunch of innocent folk. Some ppl would rather have others save them. That's their choice, we still have free will.


Some people would rather die at the hands of the nutjobs than defend themselves, or allow anyone with the ability to defend them do so. Then they could be martyrs for gun control....
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Jul 28, 2012 15:51:51   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk))
Left can't handle free speech
PNagy wrote:
WildBill wrote:
RMM wrote:
WildBill wrote:
I am not sure of that... I have read the bible and it says to kill the homosexual. It also says to be with like minded people and to not even eat with homosexuals. That sounds kind of discriminating to me.

Leviticus 20:13 NIV

" 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

1 Corinthians 5

9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
I am not sure of that... I have read the bible and... (show quote)

If all the reasons for killing someone in the Bible were rigorously applied, we'd solve the population problem overnight. I suspect the passages you cited amount to cherry-picking. Otherwise, why not kill for all the other reasons outlined in the Bible?
quote=WildBill I am not sure of that... I have re... (show quote)


There is a major part of the bible dedicated to the LAW of dealing with actions god deems as perverse. I was not picking out verses like JW's do to make comments contrary to context.

The old testament describes god as JEALOUS, flames shooting from his nostrils, angry, vengeful, petty, cursing the fourth and fifth generation for the sins of the father, and murderous. It is a very scary god; a god that rivals the anger of the gods in Greek and Egyptian mythology. God even says that his wrath will be greater for those sinners under the new testament than it was for Sodom...yes worse than the horrors that god delivered to an entire city.

Luke 10: 10-12

10 But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, 11 ‘Even the dust of your town we wipe from our feet as a warning to you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God has come near.’ 12 I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.

I do not care what people believe but if you say you believe, do not pick and choose what you believe. Christians are not to associate with the sinner.
quote=RMM quote=WildBill I am not sure of that..... (show quote)


It saddens me that you divide the world into Christians and sinners.
quote=WildBill quote=RMM quote=WildBill I am no... (show quote)


I actually have to agree with you on that point. Even Christians are sinners, when Mary Magdeline was being stoned for being a prostitute, Jesus stopped them, and told them "Let he without sin cast the first stone." No one continued, because they all had sin.
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Jul 28, 2012 15:48:55   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk))
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
thegrover wrote:
If we look around us we see that other countries have some control of their guns. In 2004, handguns murdered:

5 people in New Zealand

37 people in Sweden

56 people in Australia

184 people in Canada

19 people in Japan

73 people in the UK

11,344 people in the United States

Even adjusting for population, these numbers are horrifying. Japan has almost half as many people as the United States. So how can these numbers be so dreadfully lopsided? Last I heard, Japan was considered civilized, modern and “open” compared to, say, Cuba. So why are those numbers so wildly out of proportion? Gun control. Pretty simple.

Among 26 of the industrialized nations, 86% of gun deaths among children under age 15 occurred in the United States. As of 2008 the city of Philadelphia alone had in storage 65,000 (yes, thousand) confiscated semi-automatic or fully automatic weapons. Every year one-half million violent crimes are committed with firearms in the USA. On average, each hour of every day, one person is murdered with a gun. There are an estimated 250 million guns in the USA. One in four Americans owns a gun. In 2004, semi-automatic assault weapons were again legal after a 10-year ban. Over 20 states have “Castle Laws” wherein you can shoot to kill any armed or unarmed person who poses a threat to your property, not just your life.
If we look around us we see that other countries h... (show quote)


Now figure in the amount of homicides by other means, other than firearms. I am sure you will find that in these other countries they have found other ways to kill people, since it is not the gun that kills, but the person. I know that there are definitely more deaths through bombings in the UK, since you are always hearing on the news about places being fire bombed.
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Jul 28, 2012 14:36:40   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk))
Left can't handle free speech
ngc1514 wrote:
RMM wrote:
If all the reasons for killing someone in the Bible were rigorously applied, we'd solve the population problem overnight. I suspect the passages you cited amount to cherry-picking. Otherwise, why not kill for all the other reasons outlined in the Bible?

The real question is: who cares what it says in the bible?

The bible is not the law of the United States




That is where you are wrong, and shows your lack of knowledge on the history of our country. The US was founded on Christian principals, and the laws of the US were originally founded on the laws of the bible, mostly on the Ten Commandments. It wasn't all that long ago that a man (or woman) would face prison time if they were caught cheating on their spouse.
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Jul 28, 2012 14:27:00   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk))
Left can't handle free speech
PNagy wrote:
"Certainly the CEO of the CFA should have expected that there would be consequences from his remarks, and just as he has the right to make his comments those who would disagree with him have every right to boycott his restaurants, but I do not see that the 3 mayors who have come out and said that they do not want CFA in their cities because of his comments have the right to do that in their official capacity and certainly do not have the official right to withhold licensing from his company... "

If they had opposed a Ku Klux Klan office in their city would you have objected to that?
"Certainly the CEO of the CFA should have exp... (show quote)


Let's analyze this ridiculous statement. The KKK is an organization that promotes hatred of minorities, they do not provide a service to the public. Their sole goal is the promotion of the white race, and hatred of anyone else. It is a criminal organization.

Chk-Fil-A is a business. Its sole goal is to sell chicken sandwiches to the public. It does not discriminate against anyone in its hiring process, or in whom it serves. It provides a service to the community. It does not promote hatred of any minority. The company was founded on Christian principals and the CEO simply made a statement that he supports traditional marriage, and not homosexuality. That is his right to do so. Comparing Chik-Fil-A to the KKK is totally off base, there is no comparison. Typical radical left wing propaganda, designed to promote hatred of Christians and to spread their immoral views.
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Jul 28, 2012 14:09:36   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk))
NRA Opposes Background Check Requirements for Al Qaeda
RixPix wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
DennisK wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
People agrue that if guns were registered, then the government would know who has guns and could take then away ... I could agrue that the the words ... a well regulated militia ... I could argue that the reason that was included in the Constitution was so that if the nation was threatend .... the Government could call on citizen soliders to defend the Nation .... ergo ... how could a government call on its citizens to protect the Nation if the Government does not know who is capable of defending the Nation ....also .. since we have a representitive form of government .... would anyone elect a person to be absolute dictator ..... so just who does anyone see as knocking on your door and taking away your guns ....
People agrue that if guns were registered, then th... (show quote)

Uhhhh many do advocate for an absolute dictator.
His name is Obama.
quote=DEBJENROB People agrue that if guns were re... (show quote)


How could that be .... he has not been able to pass any major legislation, other than health care, because the Republican majority will not agree to anything he proposes .... so how can he be a dictator ... you comment makes absolutely no sense ...
quote=DennisK quote=DEBJENROB People agrue that ... (show quote)
quote=DEBJENROB quote=DennisK quote=DEBJENROB P... (show quote)



So let me ask you, how did Hitler become a dictator. Better bone up on Nazi history before you answer.
quote=jolly1 quote=DEBJENROB quote=DennisK quo... (show quote)


If you can ask that question within the context of this discussion you have not studied 20th Century History .... I can only conclude that you have absolutely no idea as to what conditions existed in Germany after WW I and the effect of the Treaty of Versalles on the German economy ...
quote=jolly1 quote=jolly1 quote=DEBJENROB quot... (show quote)



Oh, never fear, son. I know 20th Century just fine. I lived through some of the worst of it. My father fought in WWI and was in the army of occupation, not getting home until 1921.
Then he was sent back as a ranking member of the American Embassy in 1935. We lived in Berlin for three years and saw and heard Hitler speak, in person, many times.

So I know of the conditions that existed and the effects of the Treaty of Versalles, some second hand through my father and others from personal observation and experience. So, my previous statement concerning the dictator stands.
quote=DEBJENROB quote=jolly1 quote=jolly1 quot... (show quote)


You time spent in per-war Germany does not make you an authority on the reasons for Hitlers rise to power ... I would say that I have not read anything by any creditable Historian that links Hitlers rise to gun control ... also for you information ... gun registration requirements were in place before Hitlers rise to power .... I would think you were too young to understand the political and economic dynamics in pre- WWII Germany ....
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Never stated that I was an authority because of my stay. I merely said that I was there. Later that time reinforced what I learned in school, in government service, and in educational reading for pleasure. I've always been interested in the subject because of my having been there. I assume that your total knowledge of the subject is just enough to argue with anyone
who makes you feel like an idiot.
I would say that you have not read anything, by anybody, on this matter until most recently.
What gun registration existed in Germany before Hitler was not enforced to any noticable degree. That is the reason that one of Hitler's first official actions was to decree that all firearms of any type, be surrendered to the authorities immediately. Prison was the answer to any disobedience.
And how old were you, little man, during the period in question?Yes, I was too young to understand the political and economic
dynamics in pre-WWII Germany, but I did experience them, and that leaves a lasting impression on a young person.
You read, possibly, such things from books, I lived them. I will stand my experiences and later knowledge up against anything you can possibly come up with.
quote=DEBJENROB quote=jolly1 quote=DEBJENROB q... (show quote)


Why would you refer to me as "little man" ... you know nothing about me ... how tall, what I did to earn a living ... what I did when I was in the military .... you presume that I am anti gun ... when in fact ... I have probably owned more guns at any one time than you .... to continue this discussion is pointless ....
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Why would you say that my stay in Germany did not make me an authority. You don't know. You don't have a clue as to how old I was in those days, but you talked as though you did.
You "think" that you have owned more guns at any one time than I.
What you did in the military is of no interest to me. Since you mentioned it as a defense, I assume that you were a latrine
orderly during your tour.
Yep, for you to carry on any further discussion with anyone on this site is pointless. You've argued with everyone who was nice enough to acknowledge your presence, so there is little purpose in you attempting to continue. You're all burned out.
Bye bye.
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Jolly is really old...I think he's a WWII vet so don't get him all riled up or we'll have to change the Depends again.

I doesn't matter who has the most guns or even the biggest gun...it does matter what you do with it.
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That was completely uncalled for. You have a problem with someone being more knowledgable than you on a topic, so you resort to insulting them? That is really childish, and you do not belong on this forum if that is how you are going to act.
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Jul 27, 2012 14:47:12   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk))
Left can't handle free speech
SteveR wrote:
micro wrote:
SteveR wrote:
Micro: Now that is a good point. After all, that is what the First Amandment is all about, government superssion of speech.
I agree that the statements by the 2 (I've only seen 2) Mayors is simply political grandstanding. I don't like that from either side.

TimS: The ACLU has come out stating that none of those cities can ban CFA from opening stores based on the beliefs of the company's pres. Further, it appears as though mayors of both cities - Boston and Chicago - have backed down. I presume it's because they know it's a clear cut open and shut case against them.



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Micro: Now that is a good point. After all, that ... (show quote)


So why do folks on the Right hate the ACLU? To me they continue to fight for the First Amendmant, whether that agree or not.
quote=SteveR Micro: Now that is a good point. Af... (show quote)


I think TimS has said it very succinctly. The ACLU, while supporting the First Amendment, also tends to be anti-Christian in its approach.
quote=micro quote=SteveR Micro: Now that is a g... (show quote)


They are anti-Christian and very pro-Criminal. Seems thay tend to fight for the rights of criminals harder than they fight for the rights of the law abiding citizen. It gets tiresome when you hear stories of police officers being forced to use deadly force on a criminal, and the first thing you hear is how the ACLU thinks it was unjustified.
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Jul 27, 2012 14:43:28   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk))
The Psychiatrist and the Proctologist.
Hilarious!
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Jul 27, 2012 14:15:18   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk))
Left can't handle free speech
micro wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
Try Leviticus 18:22-
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

OR

Romans 1:26-27-
For this reason wGod gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

OR Corinthians 6:9-
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality

micro wrote:
TimS wrote:
I ate at CFA twice this week. Oh...I otherwise would NOT have eaten out at all but I did to support CFA and their fine Christian values.


Please provide reference of where Jesus said to hate Gays.
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Was that Jesus?
quote=dtcracer Try Leviticus 18:22- br You shall ... (show quote)


Jesus Himself never addressed the issue of homosexuality in the bible. However, Leviticus 18:22 is part of the Law of Moses, which Jesus endorsed, and upheld. He stated He was not here to change the Law, but rather to fulfill it. He states in John 5:46-47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

And to clarify, No Jesus does NOT hate gay people. He does not approve of homosexuality, and it is a sin. He hates the sin, not the sinner. But there is no unforgiveable sin, and He loves us all equally, as we are all the Children of God, whether some of us believe so or not.
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Jul 27, 2012 13:21:52   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk))
NRA Opposes Background Check Requirements for Al Qaeda
jolly1 wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
DennisK wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
People agrue that if guns were registered, then the government would know who has guns and could take then away ... I could agrue that the the words ... a well regulated militia ... I could argue that the reason that was included in the Constitution was so that if the nation was threatend .... the Government could call on citizen soliders to defend the Nation .... ergo ... how could a government call on its citizens to protect the Nation if the Government does not know who is capable of defending the Nation ....also .. since we have a representitive form of government .... would anyone elect a person to be absolute dictator ..... so just who does anyone see as knocking on your door and taking away your guns ....
People agrue that if guns were registered, then th... (show quote)

Uhhhh many do advocate for an absolute dictator.
His name is Obama.
quote=DEBJENROB People agrue that if guns were re... (show quote)


How could that be .... he has not been able to pass any major legislation, other than health care, because the Republican majority will not agree to anything he proposes .... so how can he be a dictator ... you comment makes absolutely no sense ...
quote=DennisK quote=DEBJENROB People agrue that ... (show quote)
quote=DEBJENROB quote=DennisK quote=DEBJENROB P... (show quote)



So let me ask you, how did Hitler become a dictator. Better bone up on Nazi history before you answer.
quote=jolly1 quote=DEBJENROB quote=DennisK quo... (show quote)


If you can ask that question within the context of this discussion you have not studied 20th Century History .... I can only conclude that you have absolutely no idea as to what conditions existed in Germany after WW I and the effect of the Treaty of Versalles on the German economy ...
quote=jolly1 quote=jolly1 quote=DEBJENROB quot... (show quote)



Oh, never fear, son. I know 20th Century just fine. I lived through some of the worst of it. My father fought in WWI and was in the army of occupation, not getting home until 1921.
Then he was sent back as a ranking member of the American Embassy in 1935. We lived in Berlin for three years and saw and heard Hitler speak, in person, many times.

So I know of the conditions that existed and the effects of the Treaty of Versalles, some second hand through my father and others from personal observation and experience. So, my previous statement concerning the dictator stands.
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Jul 27, 2012 13:00:48   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk))
Suppressing minorities...
eskiles wrote:
Maybe the real reason we don't want to show picture ID is because the people at the DMV has not taken a proper photography course and that is why the IDs are so bad. It's a right wing /left off demorep commie socialist plot!!!
Mitt Obama and Barak Romney need to get BNN or ncb or whatever news network to look into it and (Hic) that's my view of it...


Now that is the most sensible comment I have seen here so far! By the way, are you sharing what you are drinking??? :P :P :P
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Jul 27, 2012 12:58:37   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk))
Suppressing minorities...
[quote=Mattie]
liebgard wrote:
jasman wrote:
One learns much from UHH contributors in the USA...


I visited a pharmacy to purchase Claritin-D, an over-the-counter antihistamine/decongestant product. The pharmacist informed me that a photo ID was required to purchase the decongestant ingredient. Is this a right-wing photo ID plot to suppress minority use of pseudophedrine?

Subsequently, my condition worsened and I elected to visit a storefront, walk-in medical clinic. I was informed that one must present a photo ID to receive medical services from a clinic. Is this yet another right-wing photo ID plot to suppress minority use of doctors?

A physician's assistant examined me, determined that I had a sinus infection, and prescribed medication. Back at the pharmacy, I was advised that a photo ID was required to purchase antibiotics. Another right-wing photo ID plot to suppress minority use of amoxicillin?

While working in a few days later in Houston, Texas, and with some free time, I inquired about attending the NAACP 2012 Annual Convention at the Brown Centre to photograph the activities. One session addressed approval of a resolution opposing any requirement for one to prove identity (or even citizenship) when voting in local, state, or federal elections. Curiously, the NAACP required two forms of photo identification to gain admission to their meetings. Amazingly, are we to believe this is another right-wing photo ID plot by the NAACP to suppress minority attendance at their Annual Convention? :thumbup:
One learns much from UHH contributors in the USA..... (show quote)

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Even I have to show ID when getting certain kinds of medicine. Doesn't bother me, but wondered why. The last of your paragraphs about the NAACP.... I believe they do that to find out if you're a SPY in trying to find out what they may be up to. Apparently they trust no one who attends their meetings but the ones they know.
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The answer to that question is easy, both the NAACP and the Black Panthers are racist organizations. The Black Panthers are the equivalent to the KKK for African Americans. I do not believe that in our country there should be ANY organization that is based on color, creed, or sexual orientation.
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