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Jul 24, 2012 18:25:38   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
I own one of the dreaded assault rifles. Same kind I carried when I was in Vietnam. I do not see any reason to own a hundred round magazine. That being said I suggest a ban on all guns. I'm sure the druggies, crooks, rapists and other bad guys will follow suit of the good guys and turn in their weapons? Nobody needs a gun these days with the police protection we have. Even if the response time of the police is on average about 4 to 5 minutes. That should give you sufficient time to politely ask an intruder to leave. While we're at it let's ban things like pitch forks, knives, billy clubs, ball bats, scissors and fertilizer. That stuff can be used to make a bomb. Countries like Britain, Australia and many more European and Middle Eastern countries basically took guns away from the honest citizen. Now their into car bombs, IED's and other weapons. Make no doubt about it the truth is, anybody who is intent on perpetrating harm on others will find a way with or without guns. If one honest citizen had been armed at the Aurora theater maybe the outcome would have been different. Thank you but I'll keep my guns even though I don't ever think I will have to use them, but just incase . . .

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Jul 24, 2012 20:10:53   #
FredCDobbs Loc: Los Angeles area.
 
Why all the reporting on the 6000 rounds of ammo he didn't use. Most people who compete in shooting sports have a lot of ammunition. They buy in bulk to save money on the hobby. If this crimial was restricted to buying one kind of ammo at a time, a single box of 50 pistol rounds, a box of 50 rifle rounds and a single box of 25 shot gun rounds were all he needed to do his deed.
Secondly, We kill over 30,000 people through the negligent operation of motor vehicles in this country. Where is the call for tougher motor vehicle laws, speedometer goveners, tighter licensing of drivers, and a waiting period for buying a car? Why not outlaw 150 mph Corvettes because it's for the children?
Compare that 30000 with the approximately 10,000 firearms related deaths. (And by the way there are about 200 million motor vehicles in the us and 200-300 million guns) If you look at the 10,000 and extract the suicides figuring they would just use another means. Extract people killed by law enforcement (duh) Extract hunting accidents (It's their risk to take) Extract one criminal dirt bag killing another over drugs etc. Extract people accidentally shooting themselves (Again it's their risk to take)Extract people killing criminals in personal self defense and you wind up with an astonishingly small number of deaths due to firearms that should concern anyone. All these firearms deaths are lumped into that 10,000.

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Jul 24, 2012 20:22:48   #
tramsey Loc: Texas
 
I fail to understand why a private citizen should have an automatic assault rifle' let alone a hundred round clip. When I was on the police force I was on a shooting team. I had 50 bullet casings and powder. I made the bullets from wheel weights. I won seven Grand Master Tournaments. You don't need a hundred rounds of anything. I strongly feel the automatic assault rifles and hundred round clips so should be band.

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Jul 24, 2012 20:29:13   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
Amen brother, Amen. The mentality of the anti-gunners always boggles my mind. They just don't get it.

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Jul 24, 2012 20:30:09   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
Amen brother, Amen. The mentality of the anti-gunners always boggles my mind. They just don't get it.

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Jul 24, 2012 20:48:27   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
They don't make 150 mph Corvettes any more. They go much faster! :thumbup: :-D

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Jul 24, 2012 21:40:06   #
Danilo Loc: Las Vegas
 
tramsey wrote:
I fail to understand why a private citizen should have an automatic assault rifle' let alone a hundred round clip. When I was on the police force I was on a shooting team. I had 50 bullet casings and powder. I made the bullets from wheel weights. I won seven Grand Master Tournaments. You don't need a hundred rounds of anything. I strongly feel the automatic assault rifles and hundred round clips so should be band.


With respect, tramsey, I think you should decide what's right for YOU, not everyone else. I don't understand people having HO train sets in their basements...so what?

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Jul 24, 2012 22:55:00   #
flyguy Loc: Las Cruces, New Mexico
 
FredCDobbs wrote:
Why all the reporting on the 6000 rounds of ammo he didn't use. Most people who compete in shooting sports have a lot of ammunition. They buy in bulk to save money on the hobby. If this crimial was restricted to buying one kind of ammo at a time, a single box of 50 pistol rounds, a box of 50 rifle rounds and a single box of 25 shot gun rounds were all he needed to do his deed.
Secondly, We kill over 30,000 people through the negligent operation of motor vehicles in this country. Where is the call for tougher motor vehicle laws, speedometer goveners, tighter licensing of drivers, and a waiting period for buying a car? Why not outlaw 150 mph Corvettes because it's for the children?
Compare that 30000 with the approximately 10,000 firearms related deaths. (And by the way there are about 200 million motor vehicles in the us and 200-300 million guns) If you look at the 10,000 and extract the suicides figuring they would just use another means. Extract people killed by law enforcement (duh) Extract hunting accidents (It's their risk to take) Extract one criminal dirt bag killing another over drugs etc. Extract people accidentally shooting themselves (Again it's their risk to take)Extract people killing criminals in personal self defense and you wind up with an astonishingly small number of deaths due to firearms that should concern anyone. All these firearms deaths are lumped into that 10,000.
Why all the reporting on the 6000 rounds of ammo h... (show quote)


If the man knew what he was doing and was a very good shot, shooting each and every one in the head, his kill ratio would be much greater. So what difference does it make if he had 50 rounds or 5,000 rounds or 500,000 rounds?

This is not to denigrate or minimize his act, it was horrific.

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Jul 24, 2012 23:56:03   #
tramsey Loc: Texas
 
Danilo wrote:
tramsey wrote:
I fail to understand why a private citizen should have an automatic assault rifle' let alone a hundred round clip. When I was on the police force I was on a shooting team. I had 50 bullet casings and powder. I made the bullets from wheel weights. I won seven Grand Master Tournaments. You don't need a hundred rounds of anything. I strongly feel the automatic assault rifles and hundred round clips so should be band.


With respect, tramsey, I think you should decide what's right for YOU, not everyone else. I don't understand people having HO train sets in their basements...so what?
quote=tramsey I fail to understand why a private ... (show quote)


Not too many people, to my knowledge anyway, have gotten killed by an HO train set. How many people would have he been killed or injured if all he could've gotten his hands on were the two handguns?? In my mind, common sense tells me a whole lot fewer.

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Jul 24, 2012 23:57:39   #
FredCDobbs Loc: Los Angeles area.
 
You can only shoot and carry so much ammo and guns. They run rampant until the second gun comes on the scene and most of the time stops it there. Killed or kill themselves. The fact that they are mentally unbalanced often trips them up. It's a terrible act. HIS act. He could have chained the exit and carried a gasoline bomb in the theater in a back pack. It's the will to kill and the insane desire to be famous at any cost that drives these monsters.
Charles Whitman had a Remington hunting rifle.

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Jul 25, 2012 01:23:44   #
ziggykor Loc: East Texas
 
I always thought that "Gun Control" was the ability to hit what you were aiming at. All the laws in the world can't protect you from some determined idiot, but had there been one more gun in that theater there might have been fewer injured and killed!

More government oversight is not the answer to everything!

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Jul 25, 2012 01:52:08   #
FredCDobbs Loc: Los Angeles area.
 
I live in LaLA land. Ten day wait period on EVERY gun. ten round mag caps. Huge paperwork and restrictive laws. No CCW unless in Major population areas unless you are celebrity or contribute big money to Lee Bacas election campaign I imagine. Gun Stores here sell a book titled. How to own a gun in California and Stay out of jail. I am not kidding.
The ONLY thing Ca does right is they cross check gun purchase applications against court ordered mentals who are forbidden to own guns but that only works for the adjudicated nuts.
It's a violent society with insecure borders. If all the guns disappeared over night, within thirty days the same people smuggling drugs into the states would be smuggling guns. Simple as that.
Want to know more that's based on fact rather than opinion, read John Lott's book, "More Guns Less Crime" He is a crime statistician who looked at crime and gun ownership in the us like a real professional would. See his conclusions it will amaze you.
A friend of mine's wife is from Scotland. Restrictive gun laws so the punks get hammers, knives and pipes and storm into businesses and strong arm rob the places. Violent people won't change.

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Jul 25, 2012 04:36:39   #
fergal
 
In the Uk are gunlaws are very strict - for a shotgun for sport and clays we have to:
complete an application
get it signed ( photos as well) by a member of Govt, Clergy or someone similar.
Have medical confirmation that we are of sound mind
Install a Gun locker and update house security
Keep the keys away from anyway who has no license ( including spouses)
It is preferable to have a trigger lock for storage
Receive a house inspection

If all these elements receive a tick we get a license. Then when the gun is being transported it must be in a secure case, locked and preferably chained down to the the vehicle chassis.
Despite all this there is still an underground criminal arms trade - the tool is not the problem ( we have murder by kitchen knife, poison, cars etc)

The recent USA atrocity is heart breaking - as they all are and my heartfelt sympathy to everyone touched by this.

However I don't believe that abolishing the opportunity to enjoy shooting as a sport is the right answer - but I also admit that I dont know what the right answer is .

fergal

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Jul 25, 2012 04:54:23   #
Danilo Loc: Las Vegas
 
I was interested to note the OP mentions banning pitch forks, billy clubs, knives, ball bats, etc. in jest. Where I live billy clubs are on the ban list, as are baseball bats...if you have a baseball bat in your vehicle, there better be a ball and glove in there too, or you're in trouble with the law.
It's almost as if the law is working hand-in-hand with the lawbreaker! Hmmmm...

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Jul 25, 2012 05:51:03   #
rfbccb Loc: Central Mississippi
 
tramsey wrote:
I fail to understand why a private citizen should have an automatic assault rifle' let alone a hundred round clip. When I was on the police force I was on a shooting team. I had 50 bullet casings and powder. I made the bullets from wheel weights. I won seven Grand Master Tournaments. You don't need a hundred rounds of anything. I strongly feel the automatic assault rifles and hundred round clips so should be band.


None of these were automatic weapons. It take a Class 3 tax stamp to own an automatic. You being an expoliceman should know that.

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