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Jan 7, 2019 15:22:27   #
burkphoto wrote:
Film cameras?


Yes. Folks still use them.
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Jan 7, 2019 08:36:44   #
Rich1939 wrote:
FWIW. If you want to know information about a posted image and the EXIF data doesn't have it or there isn't any EXIF data available at all, you could always just ASK


Yup, that would work.
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Jan 7, 2019 08:35:46   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
So your contribution was just saying what?


In your initial post, you stated “There's no need to argue about the usefulness of the data. If you feel it's helpful, a far better approach would be for you to investigate and to teach yourself how to obtain this information from the EXIF data. This data is typically available, not because it was spoon fed to you in writing, but because in the modern world of 2019, the data is embedded in the image file for you to read at your own interest and leisure.”

I replied “There are a ton of cameras out there that don’t record EXIF data. Just saying.” From that you seemed to infer that I cared about whether folks post EXIF data. I repeatedly said I don’t. My response to you was simply that you can’t always get EXIF data from a posted pic as your initial post seemed to indicate. That’s it.
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Jan 7, 2019 08:11:18   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
You might want to clean your glasses and read again ...

if you expect others to do it for your enjoyment, it would seem you should be holding yourself to that same standard ...


Did you read what you quoted? I neither expect or care if anyone puts EXIF or similar data on their shots/posts.
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Jan 7, 2019 07:51:16   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
again .... again, if it's so important, nothing and no one is stopping you from typing out this information for your images ... if you expect others to do it for your enjoyment, it would seem you should be holding yourself to that same standard ...

BTW, I know a lot about EXIF data for digital scans of film images, or at least, more than you seem to realize about the options available and the effort needed to add modern EXIF data into scanned images. Here's a screen capture and link to one of many scanned and updated film images that demonstrate the result of this effort. The actual image resides at Skip Steward in Prometheus 2
again .... again, if it's so important, nothing an... (show quote)


As noted above “I also don't really care if folks post camera/shot stats or not, although I sometimes do because some folks like to see it.”. So, what camera settings produced the shot I scanned from a negative. Still waiting.
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Jan 7, 2019 07:16:25   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
If you find it's important, no one and nothing is stopping you from typing out this data for your images, should you find a camera that doesn't embed EXIF data ...


You don't appear to have read the thread. I own 4 cameras that do not embed EXIF data and have stated that I don't intend to enter the data in the scanned files. I also don't really care if folks post camera/shot stats or not, although I sometimes do because some folks like to see it. The post you quoted to respond really had little to do with the EXIF data and more to do with challenging that any 2 cameras will produce the same result.

ETA - since you are convinced that you can pull EXIF data from all posted files, please tell me the stats on this shot. Not just the camera and lens, those have been posted elsewhere, but the shutter speed, aperture, ISO, etc.


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Jan 7, 2019 07:09:50   #
rmalarz wrote:
The photograph is what matters, not what equipment was used. If one takes a photograph of the same subject with two different cameras the photographs will look identical enough that determining which camera took which photograph will be very difficult, if not impossible. It's the photograph that matters.
--Bob


To a point I agree. THBS, using my old Vivitar 70-200 f/variable with my Minolta SRT 201 against my D500 with my Nikkor 80-200 f/2.8 will give discernibly different results - even ignoring FOV differences. One will provide crisp images, the other is dang near soft focus. Similarly, using my D200 with my Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 versus the D200 with the Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 G2 will result in remarkably different pictures. The G2 will be crisp and sharp and the 28-75 will, more likely than not, be out of focus. The only camera I could ever get that lens to work with was the D70s, and even then, the result was less than consistently crisp.

Now, using either the 24-70 f/2.8 G2 or the 80-200 f/2.8 on a D500, D200 or D70s will give basically the same image assuming there is enough light to shoot at native ISO and unless you blow it up enough that the MP difference comes into play. Reduce the light so the ISO has to be bumped and you will be able to tell the D500 from the other 2 - instantly. Putting either of those lenses on my F100 will provide the same quality of image, but not a crop FOV and with film grain.

Also, if you want to compare SOOC jpgs, I will take my Fuji X-T2 over my D500 any day as the film simulations are better than the Nikon settings.
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Jan 7, 2019 05:53:53   #
H
speters wrote:
Get a battery grip!


Got a link to one? Last I heard there wasn’t one for the Z, but they may make it in the future.
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Jan 7, 2019 05:25:08   #
Congrats
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Jan 7, 2019 01:32:52   #
sloscheider wrote:
Any specifics? Just curious... I can’t think of any camera I’ve used in a good few years that didn’t include some bit of exif data, including every smart phone I’ve owned


Any film body won’t have EXIF data embedded. Half of my bodies (4/8) are film. I scan the negs or prints to post pics. No, I am not going to enter the data into the scanned pics, but I may just include the basics for a posted image from my notes.
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Jan 6, 2019 22:14:59   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
There's no need to argue about the usefulness of the data. If you feel it's helpful, a far better approach would be for you to investigate and to teach yourself how to obtain this information from the EXIF data. This data is typically available, not because it was spoon fed to you in writing, but because in the modern world of 2019, the data is embedded in the image file for you to read at your own interest and leisure.


There are a ton of cameras out there that don’t record EXIF data. Just saying.
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Jan 6, 2019 22:12:30   #
soloboogie wrote:
You rely on the metering of the camera and make any necessary adjustment.


Assuming your camera has a meter, and that it is accurate.
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Jan 6, 2019 21:47:33   #
NMGal wrote:
I like it, but think I would crop off the reflection. To me, it is distracting.


I rather like the reflection, but given the size of the negative, you could certainly make a useable image without the reflection. I think it loses a bit of sense of place by getting rid of the foreground water. IMHO, the lake, in the background, looks too much like a farm field and the lighthouse looks out of place.


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Jan 6, 2019 21:23:29   #
Here is the full shot. This is the same negative, just not cropped. I have jazzed up the blacks and contrast as you requested. It presents a different scene with less obvious detail on the barn and more blank sky and tree, as well as the plowed field in the foreground right. I thought the road, while eventually turning toward the barn (behind it) was leading the eye away from the barn. I prefer the more intimate look at the barn, but I also understand why some might prefer this view. I do, however, appreciate the input.

As for croppability of a 4x5 negative, there is tons of data from which to choose (depending on how it is scanned or printed). There is enough detail in the picture I originally posted to digitally print it 19" wide and have a good looking print - and that is taking up about 20% of the negative.

Thanks to all for looking and further discussion is appreciated.

ETA - I don't know what the web site software does to uploaded images, but the second shot looks much more contrasty in Lightroom, on the same monitor. On the web site, it appears to be essentially the same as in both shots.


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Jan 6, 2019 16:35:26   #
Cool shot.
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