Why do you fear subscription software?
Dec 22, 2017 10:20:00 #
I already feel that storing images on live hard drives rather than some reasonably-stabile medium (such as DVD) is a risk on the verge of delusion. The EMP nightmare scenario, or destructive hacking rules out the cloud, but even local copies on hard drives would be useless without electricity, but at least the ones kept offline are impervious to hacking or massive cloud disruption. In the case of EMPs, all electric devices would be thoroughly ruined. No one would have any use of anything dependent on power.
Dec 22, 2017 10:25:20 #
Jaackil wrote:
First a subscription plan is not the same as leasi... (show quote)
Correct, and the plan is also good in that they don't have to ship hundreds boxes of product to venders (such as B&H, Best Buy, and Adorama) who would have to guess at what they would be able to sell. NOW, All B&H etc. have to do is sell the subscription. Nothing to ship, nothing to store etc. For Adobe, there are no manuals to print, publish, etc. Now CD's/DVD's of software to package and ship, nothing but a link to download and a login ID and password provided by the user. It almost completely eliminates packaging, storage, shipping, etc. Everything is now deliverable via the internet.
This setup saves Adobe alot of money, it eliminates lost of their "over production" of packages of software that never get sold and have to be destroyed when they become out of date. So, Adobe is able to generate sales with very little waste of overhead and is able to pass SOME of the savings on to the consumer.
Dec 22, 2017 10:36:59 #
Actually they do still generate a little packaging as the subscription versions were hanging right next to the purchase versions of Adobe products at Best Buy the other day. It is interesting that where stores 15-20 years ago had aisles of software packages today there is hardly any space devoted to selling software retail in brick and mortar stores. Gaming software probably uses much more space than any kind of software. But it was a large portion 20 years ago too.
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Todd Ferguson
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Todd Ferguson
dcampbell52 wrote:
Correct, and the plan is also good in that they do... (show quote)
Dec 22, 2017 10:40:39 #
how will you subscribers feel when net neutrality dies and it costs more to keep what you have now, or you can keep your 10/month plan and get dropped to 56k
it's just a matter of time
they wanted it, you've got it
it's just a matter of time
they wanted it, you've got it
Dec 22, 2017 10:41:14 #
JD750 wrote:
The Adobe Photographers Plan has reaped huge profits for Adobe (making a profit is what businesses are supposed to do) and gives better service to the customers in the form of real timrbtyñ. Customer costs are about the same as buying paid uldates.
What is not to like?
What is not to like?
I don't like the way you phrased the question ... I don't "Fear" subscription software. I'd rather own the software.
Dec 22, 2017 10:58:13 #
JD750 wrote:
The Adobe Photographers Plan has reaped huge profits for Adobe (making a profit is what businesses are supposed to do) and gives better service to the customers in the form of real timrbtyñ. Customer costs are about the same as buying paid uldates.
What is not to like?
What is not to like?
To have access to both Lightroom and Photoshop plus upgrades for $10 per month is a great deal. It is less than one meal at your favorite hamburger joint for one meal. Seems like a no brainer
Dec 22, 2017 11:07:59 #
JD750 wrote:
The Adobe Photographers Plan has reaped huge profits for Adobe (making a profit is what businesses are supposed to do) and gives better service to the customers in the form of real timrbtyñ. Customer costs are about the same as buying paid uldates.
What is not to like?
What is not to like?
Having bought LR6 after reading all the hype, I was disappointed. It did nothing for my workflow that PSE wasn't doing already. So subscription wasn't an option.
Win 10 promised to be better than Win8 and it probably is in some ways - but it also wanted to download loads of shop addresses in the USA. It wants to know and store and sell all your history.
So I started with Linux...Freeware, I use lots of freeware software, it is compatible to anything available to buy from Windows OS. It is as easy, if not easier to use as Windows and most programmes will save in a windows version so that you are compatible to other users. I get regular updates - for ALL of the programmes I have downloaded onto the PC not just the OS.
I am not a computer geek, I presently know about 4 lines of code - but I don't need to be....like Windows you can choose to use the terminal or use a choice of GUI's (Icons and pages as in MS)
I am sure there must be a downside somewhere....but after 2 years or so - I haven't come across one!
Just so long as the big corporations don't find a way to push us users out....MS is trying hard to find ways to charge for programmes that it already uses on a freeware licence...as is Google etc. I am very suprised that only about 3% of computer users have cottoned on. The big corporations already have!
Dec 22, 2017 11:12:46 #
JD750 wrote:
The Adobe Photographers Plan has reaped huge profits for Adobe (making a profit is what businesses are supposed to do) and gives better service to the customers in the form of real timrbtyñ. Customer costs are about the same as buying paid uldates.
What is not to like?
What is not to like?
I figure that Adobe is like a Lemming. Now figure what is the myth about Lemmings? All the Lemmings feel so safe and secure until they're about 99% of the way down the cliff!
Seriously JD750, why are you so concerned? This subject has been beaten to death many times and people like you keep bringing it up. Do you work for Adobe? Are you going to get a little kickback if others follow? (Lemmings?)
I'd like to bounce a modified version of your question back to you. Why do YOU fear when others don't get subscription software?
Dec 22, 2017 11:20:02 #
dcampbell52 wrote:
Correct, and the plan is also good in that they do... (show quote)
That has little to do with the subscription model. Taking Lightroom 5 as an example it doesn't arrive on Disk as 5.71 you have to download the update. Why buy a sub through B&H, Why not direct from Adobe? Presumably Adobe pays B&H something...
I was a relatively early adopter of Affinity Photo I bought it as a download and have been getting updated downloads ever since (no box here).
Actually since it was bought on the Mac App Store I can download it on to any Mac I have running OSX 10.7 upwards, no need for deactivating and reactivating which you mentioned earlier.
I guess a few people may be getting new phones this christmas and entering new phone contracts, they tend to be 2 years long these days. Along the way there maybe updates e.g iphones have been updated from version 10 to 11 and recently from 11.1 to 11.2 incidentally you might have noticed new features added in the later versions (something adobe says it can't do for standalone products but apple does regularly). But back to this 2 year contract at the end of the 2 years you can choose to upgrade the handset or switch to a cheaper contract or not renew at all but what ever you do that phone is yours to do with as you please at the end of the 2 years!
Not so with adobe , you stop paying you lose functionality, I know you still get to use the library in Lightroom, what about photoshop?
Wouldn't it be nice if after 2 years subscription adobe would let you have the last version as stand alone say you started out with cc2018 in cc2020 you can stop subscribing and use cc2020 unsupported from that point on. Off course you wouldn't get cc2021 or 22 or 23. Maybe 2 years isn't enough how about 5 years, 10 years, 20 years... assuming it hasn't gone up 20 years of subs is $2,400 for Americans.
How about a company like on1 what do they do? standalone price upgrade price oh and periodically they give away older versions! DXO have done that too.
Some of you sound like battered wives, "he loves me really" it doesn,t hurt so much when he's _____ ...
Also Don I didnt lie in my previous post or be deceptive.
I don't know , what can I say , She likes it rough...
Dec 22, 2017 11:23:29 #
Dec 22, 2017 11:26:19 #
JD750 wrote:
The Adobe Photographers Plan has reaped huge profits for Adobe (making a profit is what businesses are supposed to do) and gives better service to the customers in the form of real timrbtyñ. Customer costs are about the same as buying paid uldates.
What is not to like?
What is not to like?
I don’t fear software subscriptions. I only fear liberals.
Dec 22, 2017 11:28:21 #
Simple question. Will my post processing software be available no matter where I travel? Will I have access to my photos (hiding in the clouds) when I am on a dream trip, and want to upload my daily take and keep track of my photo library? I do not own any of the software on my computer (all commercial products) but the programs are useable as long as I want them to be, and they are always available because I have them on my computer. Buying is better IMO.
Dec 22, 2017 11:34:59 #
Bill_de wrote:
What an original topic! 
Like a leased car, when you stop paying you are cut off. People who buy cars don't fear leases, they just prefer to own, knowing when they finish paying they can choose to keep using it, even if newer models have new features.
What I don't understand is why people feel they have to be a spokesperson for renting?
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Like a leased car, when you stop paying you are cut off. People who buy cars don't fear leases, they just prefer to own, knowing when they finish paying they can choose to keep using it, even if newer models have new features.
What I don't understand is why people feel they have to be a spokesperson for renting?
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Dec 22, 2017 11:35:12 #
JD750 wrote:
The Adobe Photographers Plan has reaped huge profits for Adobe (making a profit is what businesses are supposed to do) and gives better service to the customers in the form of real timrbtyñ. Customer costs are about the same as buying paid uldates.
What is not to like?
What is not to like?
Anytime I’m forced to pay for a plan that “has reaped huge profits” for the company, I no longer feel that customer satisfaction, better product development, and outstanding customer service are the primary interest of that company. I’m now forced to buy subscriptions for my anti-virus software and Office software so I just hate being forced to pay a subscription to support a hobby. If I was a professional, I’d have to pay the ransom, but could write off the expense. As an amateur I can find better priced alternatives that meet my needs.
Dec 22, 2017 11:37:21 #
The main reason for NOT using ANY subscription software is the lack of any guarantee that the software will be usable tomorrow. Example: back in Windows XP days, I purchased a $2500 piece of CAD software. It ran fine and still does under XP. It does NOT Run correctly under Windows 7 (32 or 64 bit) or anything newer. I just use it once or twice per month on an old XP machine. They want $1500 for a upgrade. Subscription based software forces you to use newer versions of windows or loose software already payed for.
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