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Jan 3, 2018 13:51:17   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
TheDman wrote:
Having control of the software is expected; your photos are completely different. I don't know of anybody that uses cloud storage with no local copies.


You do now! Once I process my snapshots, they go to Flickr. Once on Flickr, I delete them from my computer with the exception of a few that I may print from.

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Jan 3, 2018 13:54:20   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
bpulv wrote:
Computer security experts say you should always maintain a minimum of three (3) forms of backup for your photographs. At least one should be off site to protect against loss in the event of fire or natural disaster. The Cloud is not the best choice because your photos will be under the control of a second party that may have technical problems, financial failure or bankruptcy, sale to an unreliable party or may hold your data hostage to rising costs. My system provides both on and off site redundant backup that is completely under my own control.

My system consists of the following:

1) All storage of photographs is external to the computer’s (iMac) internal drive.

2) Downloads from the camera, editing, final product and primary storage is on a 5Tb Western Digital My Book drive.

a. Each shoot is stored in a folder identified by job name and date.

b. Within each folder are three sub-folders labeled “RAW”, “Edit” and “Final”. All uploads are made to the RAW folder and only copies of the raw files are copied to the Edit folder for editing. The final output that may include JEPG, TIFF, etc. files are transferred to the Final folder.

3) The complete primary storage drive is backed up to a Drobo 5-drive RAID (Redundant Array of Independent Disks). This allows multiple backup copies of the data along with offsite backup. In addition, the Drobo’s firmware automatically corrects any data transfer errors and insures that all backup drives have matched data. The RAID consists of five Western Digital Red Drives, which are designed for this type of service and have an excellent reputation for reliability. Furthermore they are “hot swappable” which means they can be safely inserted and removed from the Drobo without removing power from the system.

a. The Drobo is only powered on when backups are being made. Otherwise, it is powered off. This limits the exposure to possible hacking.

b. Although the Drobo can hold up to five drives, only four are in the unit at any given time. Three of the drives are never removed and provide the basic redundancy.

c. The fourth drive position is used for the offsite backup. Two drives are used for that purpose.

4) Once a week or as necessary, drive 4 is removed from the Drobo and taken to the bank. Drive 5 is removed from my safe deposit box and drive 4 takes it place in the box.

5) Drive 5 is inserted into the Drobo where the data from Drives 1, 2 and 3 are automatically copied to it.

As a result, I have complete redundancy and no recurring costs. The safe deposit box costs me nothing because I keep at least the minimum required amount in my bank accounts.

Now tell me why I would possibly want to use cloud storage of my photographs?
Computer security experts say you should always ma... (show quote)


Hey Bart! I don’t mean to sound disrespectful, but what kind of pictures are taking that you need to be so careful with them? Thanks

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Jan 3, 2018 15:49:20   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
blackest wrote:
Export to what ? the only program that can work with those edits is lightroom really , maybe some would be recognised by the standalone version if they were done with the 2012 process.


For Classic at least, If your subscription lapses, you can no longer use the develop module or the map module. You can still use LR to view the images and I believe you can print and also export the edited verisions, as JPEGs TIFFs, etc.

Regarding LR CC, if your subscription lapses. My guess is it’s the same deal as with classic but what becomes of the original images that are kept on the Adobe server? I’m not clear on what happens to them. Adobe probably gives you a set time to download them. However, there is an option in LR CC, to keep a local copy of all the original images on your computer. My thinking is that it would be wise to utilize that option and also export the edited versions before letting a LR CC subscription lapse.

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Jan 3, 2018 19:54:34   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
blackest wrote:
Export to what ? the only program that can work with those edits is lightroom really , maybe some would be recognised by the standalone version if they were done with the 2012 process.

I guess the question is how you store the final result. I would never keep my final work in a form accessible only through proprietary software. I will always keep the final work in a generic format such as JPEG or TIFF and in a file structure provided by the O/S. Since I don't see a difference between 8-bit JPEG and 16-bit TIFF, a JPEG variant is my final version.

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Jan 3, 2018 20:16:49   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
rehess wrote:
I guess the question is how you store the final result. I would never keep my final work in a form accessible only through proprietary software. I will always keep the final work in a generic format such as JPEG or TIFF and in a file structure provided by the O/S. Since I don't see a difference between 8-bit JPEG and 16-bit TIFF, a JPEG variant is my final version.



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Jan 3, 2018 21:46:16   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
rehess wrote:
I guess the question is how you store the final result. I would never keep my final work in a form accessible only through proprietary software. I will always keep the final work in a generic format such as JPEG or TIFF and in a file structure provided by the O/S. Since I don't see a difference between 8-bit JPEG and 16-bit TIFF, a JPEG variant is my final version.


You make a very good point. How you store the final result is key to future proofing your work!

When using non destructive editing tools this is always an issue regardless of the brand of editing software. It requires a process. And that process takes additional effort and organization. It's more convenient and less work to simply store the edits in and share/print from the editing software and many people do just that. I have done that in the past. No more. Because that is not future proof as us Aperture x-pats can attest.

But perhaps people who store their editis within the software feel that owing an infinite license makes is somehow less risky to take that path. Experience tells me that is not the case.

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Jan 3, 2018 22:13:14   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
JD750 wrote:
You make a very good point. How you store the final result is key to future proofing your work!

When using non destructive editing tools this is always an issue regardless of the brand of editing software. It requires a process. And that process takes additional effort and organization. It's more convenient and less work to simply store the edits in and share/print from the editing software and many people do just that. I have done that in the past. No more. Because that is not future proof as us Aperture x-pats can attest.

But perhaps people who store their editis within the software feel that owing an infinite license makes is somehow less risky to take that path. Experience tells me that is not the case.
You make a very good point. How you store the fina... (show quote)

Most of my editing involves images that began as output from my scanner as a TIF file. I save those original files, and only those files, in a particular directory. If editing takes more than one session, I save intermediate files in a separate work-in-progress directory, typically two files - one in the native type of the program and one as a TIF. TIF is something every program understands, so I'm protected even if the edit program evaporates overnight.

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Jan 3, 2018 22:46:56   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
rehess wrote:
Most of my editing involves images that began as output from my scanner as a TIF file. I save those original files, and only those files, in a particular directory. If editing takes more than one session, I save intermediate files in a separate work-in-progress directory, typically two files - one in the native type of the program and one as a TIF. TIF is something every program understands, so I'm protected even if the edit program evaporates overnight.


That is the right way to avoid lost work. I do similar things. I don't care about disk space. It's cheap compared to the time invested.

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Jan 4, 2018 01:16:21   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
JD750 wrote:
That is the right way to avoid lost work. I do similar things. I don't care about disk space. It's cheap compared to the time invested.


+1 on cheap storage. Wether it's photos, video or audio. I only work on copies. The originals are stored and backed up separately, then the final results are saved and backed up separately. We often focus on our gear (No pun intended 😉) and software, but it's the output that's important. It's the irreplaceable part and the entire point of our work.

Even the replaceable stuff is more valuable. My music and movie collection would cost more to replace than all of my A/V gear! Our digital files are certainly more valuable than our computers too!

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