Why do you fear subscription software?
Dec 21, 2017 19:40:55 #
The Adobe Photographers Plan has reaped huge profits for Adobe (making a profit is what businesses are supposed to do) and gives better service to the customers in the form of real timrbtyñ. Customer costs are about the same as buying paid uldates.
What is not to like?
What is not to like?
Dec 21, 2017 19:44:45 #
What an original topic! 
Like a leased car, when you stop paying you are cut off. People who buy cars don't fear leases, they just prefer to own, knowing when they finish paying they can choose to keep using it, even if newer models have new features.
What I don't understand is why people feel they have to be a spokesperson for renting?
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Like a leased car, when you stop paying you are cut off. People who buy cars don't fear leases, they just prefer to own, knowing when they finish paying they can choose to keep using it, even if newer models have new features.
What I don't understand is why people feel they have to be a spokesperson for renting?
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Dec 21, 2017 19:47:31 #
Bill_de wrote:
What an original topic!
Like a leased car, when you stop paying you are cut off. People who buy cars don't fear leases, they just prefer to own, knowing when they finish paying they can choose to keep using it, even if newer models have new features.
What I don't understand is why people feel they have to be a spokesperson for renting?
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Like a leased car, when you stop paying you are cut off. People who buy cars don't fear leases, they just prefer to own, knowing when they finish paying they can choose to keep using it, even if newer models have new features.
What I don't understand is why people feel they have to be a spokesperson for renting?
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I'm still using Quicken 2007, Word 2003, and last year I upgraded to Elements 14 from 4. Two years before I upgraded Photo Impact Pro (after about six years).
What I have meets my needs. Why should I keep purchasing software that might do things I really don't need?
Dec 21, 2017 19:47:49 #
JD750 wrote:
The Adobe Photographers Plan has reaped huge profits for Adobe (making a profit is what businesses are supposed to do) and gives better service to the customers in the form of real timrbtyñ. Customer costs are about the same as buying paid uldates.
What is not to like?
What is not to like?
I don't know.
Dec 21, 2017 20:08:45 #
I come to you with a pure heart, open mind, clean hands, and fearing no man or subscription service. I use Elements and upgrade after about three years for a long-term cost of $2/month.
Dec 21, 2017 20:12:01 #
I have absolutely no fear of subscription software. In fact, I am a subscriber in re other software packages. But your question is clearly aimed at Adobe photo/graphics editing subscriptions. Having heard all the arguments in favor, I believe $120/yr is a poor deal financially and quite possibly dangerous if Adobe ever changes the terms and suddenly raises the price significantly and/or threatens to hold access to our images hostage unless we submit. In my personal estimation, that is a valid possibility and something worth being afraid of. I am aware many folks disagree.
Dec 21, 2017 20:18:56 #
JD750 wrote:
The Adobe Photographers Plan has reaped huge profits for Adobe (making a profit is what businesses are supposed to do) and gives better service to the customers in the form of real timrbtyñ. Customer costs are about the same as buying paid uldates.
What is not to like?
What is not to like?
What is not to like? The whining!
We license software. We may buy the transport medium (CD/DVD), but the software is owned by its creators. They have no obligation to support old versions when new ones are released.
No software is permanent. Old software eventually does not run on new operating systems. Old computers die. Old operating systems are not supported with security updates. The mass market moves forward and leaves the old behind.
Just because I still have an old Mac with OS 9.2.2 and PageMaker 6.5 on it doesn’t mean I would ever use it to design new documents.
The whole point of a subscription is to stay current with the latest functional features, bug fixes, security features, and support.
After enduring the brain drain of learning every other new version of Photoshop for a couple of decades, I’m happy to assimilate new concepts in smaller chunks!
Dec 21, 2017 21:07:37 #
There is no fear! A concern is price increases and when they want to store your pics online and control them. But, at the same time, I am not a professional and I do not need the latest and greatest. I my opinion, owning is much cheaper than renting in the long run and I will use LR6 as long as I can and then hopefully I can find a decent alternate.....but that is just my two cents!
Dec 21, 2017 21:28:43 #
Dec 21, 2017 21:55:21 #
JD750 wrote:
The Adobe Photographers Plan has reaped huge profits for Adobe (making a profit is what businesses are supposed to do) and gives better service to the customers in the form of real timrbtyñ. Customer costs are about the same as buying paid uldates.
What is not to like?
What is not to like?
Why do you say fear? Do you fear what you don't care for?
What's not to like?
Here's what I don't like. When you subscribe, you're being over charged. $10 a month sounds pretty reasonable on the surface, but think about it. $10 a month is $120 a year. After 5 years you've paid $600 and you still have to keep on paying. You can't say, "I don't want anymore updates, so I'll just stop paying and use what I have." No, you have to keep paying or you don't have anything.
Professionals can write off the subscription fees as a business expense. But if you're not a professional it's ca-ching, ca-ching, ca-ching on and on and on.
I don't fear subscription software, I don't use it because it's a scam.
Dec 21, 2017 22:00:43 #
Dec 21, 2017 22:01:59 #
It's not that I fear subscription software, but rather that I simply resent it. A clever way to suck more money out of the software users.
Dec 21, 2017 22:12:41 #
rjaywallace hit the nail on the head. Information is power. Take away access to information (can't afford to subscribe due to escalating pricing due to new terms) then you gain the upper hand (hostage) and hopefully there is an alternative program that easily replaces. My guess is that most of us take almost as much time tweeking photos with adobe LR than taking them. Why relinquish control of a program to a third party that decides they can make more money leasing than selling....Adobe moved to this model because they needed to for some reason, and the reason wasn't because they wanted to make less money! I am delighted with the product LR 6 but I am leery of the attempt to hold our edited photo labor hostage.....on the other hand, I learned to de haze using my own carefully tweaked presets! thanks LR!
Dec 21, 2017 23:04:12 #
To the OP:
If you're really interested in why folks like / don't like the plan, do a search (button at the top) - this topic has been addressed multiple times, with lots of pros and cons.
On the other hand, if you're just trying to re-start a conversation that has been hashed and rehashed, and rehashed again, and again, well...
If you're really interested in why folks like / don't like the plan, do a search (button at the top) - this topic has been addressed multiple times, with lots of pros and cons.
On the other hand, if you're just trying to re-start a conversation that has been hashed and rehashed, and rehashed again, and again, well...
Dec 22, 2017 01:53:14 #
Bill_de wrote:
What an original topic!
Like a leased car, when you stop paying you are cut off. People who buy cars don't fear leases, they just prefer to own, knowing when they finish paying they can choose to keep using it, even if newer models have new features.
What I don't understand is why people feel they have to be a spokesperson for renting?
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Like a leased car, when you stop paying you are cut off. People who buy cars don't fear leases, they just prefer to own, knowing when they finish paying they can choose to keep using it, even if newer models have new features.
What I don't understand is why people feel they have to be a spokesperson for renting?
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Really awful analogy, btw. The option to lease a car has many financial implications, as does the intended use. The car lease payment is an instrument used to pay down the depreciation over a fixed period of time. It rarely makes sense to keep a car after a lease - the cost is far higher than if you had purchased it outright.
If you drive 24,000 miles a year you are not likely to find a cost effective lease. Also cars, unlike software, do note age gracefully and become worthless and expensive to own after a while. Lastly, you don't rent or lease intellectual property when you subscribe, you merely pay for the use (a license) for the time you choose to use it.
And no, you are not "cut off" when you stop using it . You own your data - your catalog if using Lr, certainly your original and edited images, etc. What you are cut off from is the ability to edit. Are you really expecting to Use software that you don't own for free, just because you paid for a subscription once?
There are a lot of misconceptions and silliness surrounding software remtal. The OP's question seems to seek to clear some of that up and your response is a clear indication that he has his work cut out for him.😀
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