Why do you fear subscription software?
Dec 22, 2017 09:34:47 #
I assume you buy electricity, perhaps natural gas and maybe even water each month from the same company...just saying... I don't think Adobe is trying to hold anyone hostage...use it as you wish.
jaymatt wrote:
I don’t want to be held hostage to some company’s whim. I’m not afraid of it; I don’t like the concept. If others like it, that’s fine; but it’s not for me.
Dec 22, 2017 09:35:06 #
rjaywallace wrote:
...or threatens to hold access to our images hostage unless we submit.
And how, exactly would Adobe be able to hold image files that reside on my hard drives hostage???? All the changes I have made are contained within the files themselves. So even when LR or PS stop working at the end of my subscription, I have lost nothing that I have already done and I am free to move to whatever PP software I choose to use from that point onward. The sky would not be falling.
Dec 22, 2017 09:35:18 #
Bill_de wrote:
What an original topic! 
Like a leased car, when you stop paying you are cut off. People who buy cars don't fear leases, they just prefer to own, knowing when they finish paying they can choose to keep using it, even if newer models have new features.
What I don't understand is why people feel they have to be a spokesperson for renting?
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Like a leased car, when you stop paying you are cut off. People who buy cars don't fear leases, they just prefer to own, knowing when they finish paying they can choose to keep using it, even if newer models have new features.
What I don't understand is why people feel they have to be a spokesperson for renting?
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Dec 22, 2017 09:37:49 #
If there is an EMP attack you will have much more important things to worry about than your digital images or slides. With out electricity and electronics most people will have no life... The "Cloud" is one of the most overhyped things ever. In the old days we called them data centers...but Cloud sounds som much more trendy and sexy...
Best,
Todd Ferguson
Best,
Todd Ferguson
rvharvey wrote:
My son in law is one of the world's leading expert... (show quote)
Dec 22, 2017 09:43:13 #
rjaywallace wrote:
A benefit in the form of “a real timrbtyñ”(????). Since no oblivious spell checker or auto correct could have possibly concocted such a noun, it is obvious you must have intentionally typed it that way, JD750. So I have to ask you what the fuck is “a real timrbtyñ”????
Was wondering the same thing!! 😂😂😂
Dec 22, 2017 09:44:07 #
I agree with you and in the event that Adobe has a price increase for their service I have Affinity Photo which can read my PSD files.
rjaywallace wrote:
I have absolutely b no fear /B of subscription... (show quote)
Dec 22, 2017 09:50:30 #
rjaywallace wrote:
A benefit in the form of “a real timrbtyñ”(????). Since no oblivious spell checker or auto correct could have possibly concocted such a noun, it is obvious you must have intentionally typed it that way, JD750. So I have to ask you what the fuck is “a real timrbtyñ”????
Language
Dec 22, 2017 09:57:51 #
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
I assume you buy electricity, perhaps natural gas and maybe even water each month from the same company...just saying... I don't think Adobe is trying to hold anyone hostage...use it as you wish.
I would not be a happy camper if I had need for these items only on an infrequent bases.
Dec 22, 2017 09:58:24 #
nytexano wrote:
3) You CANNOT suspend your subscription. Within a short period, your software will be deactivated. That means your own files cannot even be opened. For many, that means you're out of business.
3) You CANNOT suspend your subscription. Within a short period, your software will be deactivated. That means your own files cannot even be opened. For many, that means you're out of business.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, totally wrong!
Not only can your files still be opened by other PP software, even my Windows OS can open my files with the edits I've made in LR. In addition, as far as LR is concerned, the Library Module (which is the browser/filing system) will still function if you terminate your subscription. The main thing that will no longer function is the Develop Module, so you won't be able to use that to make any NEW edits/adjustments.
Dec 22, 2017 10:02:47 #
When I was young, I bought the newest updates for everything. Now I often skip multiple generations because the programs that I own still work and meet my needs, plus, whenI pay for something I want to own it.
Dec 22, 2017 10:02:52 #
Bill_de wrote:
What an original topic!
Like a leased car, when you stop paying you are cut off. People who buy cars don't fear leases, they just prefer to own, knowing when they finish paying they can choose to keep using it, even if newer models have new features.
What I don't understand is why people feel they have to be a spokesperson for renting?
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Like a leased car, when you stop paying you are cut off. People who buy cars don't fear leases, they just prefer to own, knowing when they finish paying they can choose to keep using it, even if newer models have new features.
What I don't understand is why people feel they have to be a spokesperson for renting?
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However, when one leases a car, one has a guaranteed buyer at a guaranteed price at the end of the lease, and the option to buy the car at the guaranteed price or to get a new car, and the "down payment" on a lease usually is much much lower than the down payment on buying, and one can get a lease with much worse credit than buying a car outright. There are reasons why leases exist.
Dec 22, 2017 10:05:14 #
rjaywallace wrote:
I have absolutely b no fear /B of subscription... (show quote)
Not sure how Adobe could ever hold access to your images hostage. You obviously don't understand how the subscription works.
Dec 22, 2017 10:08:20 #
Jaackil
Loc: Massachusetts
Bill_de wrote:
What an original topic!
Like a leased car, when you stop paying you are cut off. People who buy cars don't fear leases, they just prefer to own, knowing when they finish paying they can choose to keep using it, even if newer models have new features.
What I don't understand is why people feel they have to be a spokesperson for renting?
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Like a leased car, when you stop paying you are cut off. People who buy cars don't fear leases, they just prefer to own, knowing when they finish paying they can choose to keep using it, even if newer models have new features.
What I don't understand is why people feel they have to be a spokesperson for renting?
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First a subscription plan is not the same as leasing a car. When you lease a car you have the option of buying the car at a predetermined price at the end of the lease so like buying you can continue to have full use of the vehicle if you choose you can’t with a subscription.
There have been several studies done by major accounting firms that have shown the cost of buying a car cash vs financing vs leasing are all about the same in a low interest environment with a slight edge to buying cash.
So there is a pretty big difference between car leasing and adobe’s subscription model.
The advantage of the subscription model is you don’t have to front a lot of cash to use top of the line software. If you Don’t like the software after a year you haven’t lost a lot of money. As long as you are a subscriber you get the latest updates and product changes included so the version you are using is never obsolete.
All in all it is not a bad deal. Is it better than buying the software? Not neccesarily it would all depend on what your objectives are. Is it a good value over all? It is debatable but I would say the current cost is certainly fair. They have designed a model which allows even the novice or hobbiest to use pro level software at a reasonable cost. This is good for Adobe because it means many more users which means greater market share.
Bottom line is it comes down to personal preference which makes the whole argument really dumb.
Dec 22, 2017 10:11:30 #
JD750 wrote:
The Adobe Photographers Plan has reaped huge profits for Adobe (making a profit is what businesses are supposed to do) and gives better service to the customers in the form of real timrbtyñ. Customer costs are about the same as buying paid uldates.
What is not to like?
What is not to like?
Well, JD, you have certainly stirred up the can of worms! Everyone has their own feelings to express, but to me the issue is fairly simple: Some people need/want what the Adobe CC subscription offers, so the monthly fee is reasonable for them to pay. Other people do not need/want the level of organizing and editing the Adobe CC subscription includes, so they are content to use older and/or less complex programs, and the monthly fee is NOT reasonable for them to pay. Luckily there are many alternatives to suit just about anyone's preference!
Have to wonder if part of the issue is a resentment about being in the position where they have to make a choice. It is not within a lot of people's "comfort zone" to make a change, so they are satisfied with using the earlier editions, whereas switching to different software is venturing into new territory.
There are so many pros and cons, and so many reasons why each of us chooses any particular solution. There is no right or wrong, just different ways of finding a solution!
With regard to being "held hostage", dcampbell52 brought up an issue that everyone wanting to switch software needs to consider:
dcampbell52 wrote:
...the package works...identically to the older ve... (show quote)
His point in this portion of the post is that when you stop using the subscription, you do not lose your photos, and can still open them in other software programs. That is, you can open everything EXCEPT the sidecars and therefore lose the ability to view the edited version. But there is a SOLUTION to that: Convert those sidecars into another format, either by exporting from LR or by choosing "Save as" in PS. My preference is for .tiff because it retains all the edits, including layers, which can be revisited for additional editing. [Of course that may not be true in another program, but at least the other programs can open the image!] From the RAW file and the .tiff, other formats such as .jpg can be made for sharing in social media.
All those sidecars in my hard drive folders showing up as blank pages with turned-down corners was bugging me, so I came up with the above solution. Once the format has been changed, you can go back into LR and either delete the virtual copy or reset the RAW file back to the original state. That ought to remove all those blank pages! And now your edits will be accessible in other programs.
Dec 22, 2017 10:15:04 #
peterg
Loc: Santa Rosa, CA
JPL wrote:
One subscription software that I use is "Panorama X" database s/w ( http://www.provue.com). They have 1, 12, 30 and 60 month subscriptions. If you don't use the app, you don't pay. Example: You buy a 12-month plan, but need/use it only for 3 months a year. Your plan does not expire and will last you four years.Yes, I wish I could buy gas for my car this way, no matter how much or little I use it I would pay only $10 or so monthly.
But since a good deal like that is not available in any subscription offers of any kind I prefer to pay for only what I need and use.
But since a good deal like that is not available in any subscription offers of any kind I prefer to pay for only what I need and use.
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