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Mar 22, 2013 22:45:37   #
BW, didn't direct this at you, just made the comment after seeing this happen time after time......have a good one.

BW326 wrote:
GregC wrote:
No sleep, you didn't have to show that painting, if you'd waited around for a bit longer it would have been President Bush's fault somehow.

Way to stir the pot....lol


Wouldn't have worked with me, I happened to have liked Bush personally. I didn't vote for him, but when he was elected he became "my president"... that's the way a democracy is supposed to work. It's OK to criticize the man in office but not to constantly denigrate them. I use my vote to express my opinion.
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Mar 22, 2013 22:42:03   #
Danilo wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
One never knows what one learns from scientific investigation. Maybe a cure for cancer!
As for the sequestration the cuts are mandated by the GOP Congress and the President has no say. They are across the board cuts with no ability to rationalize the cuts.
You vote for what you get and you got a stupid GOP congress!


I may be getting unreliable information (mostly CBS News, CNN, NBC News, etc.) but it looks like most of the cuts are being mandated by government agencies, like HSA, FAA, and FDA.
Our collective legislators, Republican AND Democrat, are behaving like a a gaggle of spoiled, spiteful, vindictive children when someone has put the lid on the candy jar.
Did we REALLY drive down to the polls and VOTE for these buffoons? We need to reunite ourselves as American Citizens, rather than dividing ourselves as Republicans, Democrats, Tea Part, or Progressives. Are we NOT Americans BEFORE we are party members? The damn politicians are making us all like them! Boooo... :evil: :thumbdown: :evil:
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Mar 22, 2013 22:39:11   #
Yea MisterWilson, what were you thinking using that right wing, extremist, gun loving nuts as your reference on this topic anyway?

You could have used a more reputable source like Chris Mathews, Bill Maher, Brian Williams, and lets not forget Soladad O'Brian, the list goes on.........
You know the bunch that stay on script., best friends a president ever had.


UP-2-IT wrote:
MisterWilson wrote:
Wasteful programs taxpayers pay for .... and some beneficial programs the government wants to stop because of budget shortfalls.

I'll present a few, and you can present some that you've heard about.

This first study has cost around $400,000 over the last few years. It is a study of the sex organs of ducks ...

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/feds-spend-400000-to-study-duck-genitals.html

Why should we spend any money on that? Let the private sector spend their own money, if they think there's a chance they can profit from such studies.
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No thanks, your post is a waste of your time. This after seeing the fox-radio by line above. Think we all are mature enough to realize there are pros and cons to spending.
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Mar 22, 2013 22:27:16   #
No sleep, you didn't have to show that painting, if you'd waited around for a bit longer it would have been President Bush's fault somehow.

Way to stir the pot....lol



NOSLEEP wrote:
BW326 wrote:
NOSLEEP wrote:

Huh... We don't understand english very well?
Did we learn it from a bad book. You can teach us....? :shock:


Hey, it is what it is.

I'm sure that there other things you can find to gripe about Obama but this isn't really one of them.


How about this then... I'll offer a painting to lighten the topic. You could pick away at these guys if you like...
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Mar 22, 2013 22:18:19   #
The President didn't answer any of the questions from Chuck Todd, does he?Think Todd must have gotten off script.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2013/03/21/nbc-anchor-sides-obama-spanking-chuck-todd-he-incorrigible-come-think-

And here comes the calvery, Brian Williams.

Hey Brian have another sip.
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Mar 22, 2013 08:43:39   #
Do you think sentencing someone to life in prison without the possibility of perole is not in itself a form of a death penalty?


Jan F. Rasmussen wrote:
Death penalty civili-z/s-ed or not?

Here are the foremost users of the death penalty, so you Americans can judge the company you are in for your self ;-)
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Mar 22, 2013 08:11:59   #
Funny not long ago Jamie Foxx made the comment that Obama was "lord and savior" at the soul train awards. It's a start.....



KW Conch wrote:
K2mbs wrote:
KW Conch wrote:
K2mbs wrote:
What is truly ignorant is your belief that oppressive governments are some sort of fantasy. It is far from fantasy. Did you not know that some of your relatives fought in a cvil war already in this country?
Have you not noticed the plethora of regimes that existed, and still exist Worldwide? It's the inability to extrapolate reality like you apparently struggle with that allows dictators to come into power again and again. Did the people of Germany believe exactly as you are now....Or did they knowingly rally around a madman who would kill millions of innocent people. Grab a glove and get in the game...this is not a dress rehearsal. Look up dictators in wikipedia, and prepare to crap yourself at how common they are. Then look up "people who knowingly supported a fascist in the making" there won't be a page for that...yikes.

There are 23 dictatorships listed there that are up to the "present", and thats not including ours yet either.

KW Conch wrote:
cudakite wrote:
KW Conch wrote:
TedPaul wrote:
You lack an understanding of the second amendment. The right to bear arms insures our well being from an oppressive government.


So you are planning to fight off the US Marines and Seal Team 6 with your trusty six shooter ?


I rather suspect our armed forces would not obey any order to attack law abiding citizens. We haven't totally traded our manhood for a nanny government like you sad creatures.


So what is this BS about citizens fighting off the government ? The argument about needing guns to fight oppressive government is stupidity. For defense against criminals yes. Otherwise it is pure fantasy.
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The conditions in Germany prior to WWII that led to the rise of Hitler bear no resemblance to America in 2013. Come out from hiding under he bed and take your meds.
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So you decide to somehow justify the rise of Hitler because of some situation that must have made it sensible to rally around him, but totally ignore all of the rest of the points I bring up...Thanks for making my point about being ignorant.
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Read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich". You will see that the conditions in Germany at that time bear no resemblance to today's America. Germany had been humiliated by their terms of surrender in WWI and was looking for a saviour to restore their glory.
I didn't respond to the rest of your rant because it was nonsense.
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Mar 22, 2013 08:03:00   #
And several on here that seem to agree .


PrairieSeasons wrote:
KW Conch wrote:
K2mbs wrote:
Yes our government is massively stockpiling rounds of amo in our homeland now. Weather we are preparing to be invaded big time by some other country, or we are planning to use those hollow points against our own citizens....Is it really a good idea to turn over our own private protection to a totally dysfunctional failure of a government on the totally misguided idea that gun deaths will go down against all statistical data that it certainly won't?...Yeah...I don't think so...guess again B.O....you stink, and we don't trust you. In actuality we have the right under the second amendment to kill anyone that comes to confiscate our guns. I know that may sound like a stretch, but it's entirely true. The second amendment was written to protect the free people of America from ever having a dictatorship attempt to control us...This confiscation crap is exactly what they wrote it for. Of course our corrupt, liberal courts would find a person guilty for doing so, but legally it is totally within an Americans right to kill that confiscator.

rayford2 wrote:
Bazamac wrote:
TedPaul wrote:
You lack an understanding of the second amendment. The right to bear arms insures our well being from an oppressive government.


Get away with you! Oppressive government? In the USA? You have got to be joking.


I don't know, I'm still trying to figure out why all the bureaus need millions of rounds of ammunition in such a short time.
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Settle down. No one wants to grab your guns.
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Except for Diane Feinstein, Ron Bloomberg, Andrew Cuomo and host of their fellow libs.
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Mar 21, 2013 19:11:29   #
I find these pretty interesting, have seem them over the last several years.


Asking because I honestly don't know, i find it as interested in what's happened since your gun control laws were enacted as you seem to be about our current debates.

Also how does the majority of the general public feel about your gun control laws now that you've had them for a while? I look for videos from regular citizens (meaning non politicians, or law officials) who support the gun control and could not find any. And I admit I could have missed them but did look as hard for those as the ones linked.


Up front, I do not know where the fact stated we gathered from.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xTFs6Lbq1Is

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lil51T7UIrc

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mKdBxpKqUvs





Thanks.....
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Mar 21, 2013 18:29:56   #
As usual can't get anyone to answer these questions.



GregC wrote:
I have several questions for you since that is what you believe. Have asked before and never gotten a straight answer. The only answers I've gotten they start to point fingers without really answering them.

1. I assume by your statement you don't keep a weapon (gun) in your home for protection. Knowing it would probably take several minutes for help to arrive, there again assuming your able to make a 911 call. How do you intend to protect your family?

2. Your saying by your statement don't you think that it should be a personnel choice as to how your fellow Americans choose to protect their family as well as their property?

3. Taking guns away from law abiding citizen; how do you propose to have the criminals, thugs, ect turn their weapons in or have them taken away?
Pretty sure their not going to turn them in because I'm sure the majority are not registered, so no one knows they have them.

Death penalty: the only thing I have to say about that is "it's too bad the ones they murdered couldn't have had their "death penalty" commuted to life".



almepal wrote:
Citizens with guns, and the death penalty - and I thought the US was civilised!!!!
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Mar 21, 2013 18:24:11   #
The oppressive government I was speak of is the British government. Is that how all this got started?


KW Conch wrote:
GregC wrote:
Seems that's what our forefathers did, wasn't it?


KW Conch wrote:
TedPaul wrote:
You lack an understanding of the second amendment. The right to bear arms insures our well being from an oppressive government.


So you are planning to fight off the US Marines and Seal Team 6 with your trusty six shooter ?


They did ???? My recollection of history is that our forefathers were part of a well armed militia that supported the government in their fight for independence from the British. You must be reading a history book printed in Texas.
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Mar 21, 2013 18:19:05   #
Really.....more taxes, more spending, more people on government assistance ( able bodied), forced health care......



RixPix wrote:
NOSLEEP wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
After this past weekend's big Republican convention/meeting, participants seem to believe that what they need to do is to "rebrand" the party. Rebranding is essentially a publicity/public relations maneuver with the purpose of convincing the public that a product is something that they have not previously seen it as.

The assumption seems to be that people will not perceive what the party continues to stand for (the wealthy) and against (minorities, women, gays, immigrants, the poor and the disenfranchised). We definitely need an active second party, but if the Republican thinkers continue to believe that rebranding rather than essential change will do the trick and let them win future elections, they are wrong. People aren't that stupid. They will continue to perceive who the Republican Party really stands for, not whom they say it stands for.
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The Republican party is a party that place symbolism above action and the good of their donors above the good of the nation. I guess when Rush Limbaugh the defacto voice of the Republican party states the problem is that they (the Republicans) are not conservative enough, he is in fact illustrating the very issues why they cannot get enough votes to elect anyone. Republican candidates receive fewer votes than Democratic candidates nation wide. Their platform is quite simply not what the majority of Americans want. It is that simple. Now, you can fuss and fume and say that the electorate is incorrect but that is your opinion or your friends opinion and you are out-numbered. So complain, fuss and fume all you want. You are now in the minority of the electorate and your voice will be heard but unheeded.
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You are so wrong. Liberal thinking and Liberal support is subject to the same fate as in all democracies. It will continue to hold wide support for a time. It took over 30 years in Canada for the Liberal party to become a pariah. Big government and the socialism that spawns it, eats itself from the inside out. A time will come, and it will come when the eyes of the voting public have a clear illustration of what has unfolded before them. Conservatives need not discard their values. The man how trades an ounce of principles for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated...
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My post was clearly stated and accurate. Your response is inane as it does not address the issue of the topic Republican Rebranding. Your biggest error is that you think the current Democratic Party is liberal. It is very far from being a truly liberal agenda. In fact, it is more like the Republican Party of the 1970s. You state that Conservatives need not discard their values. I agree. In fact, that's what I am hoping they do. I hope they double-down on the antiquated ideology for at least the next six years. That will ensure a brighter future for the country as not one of them will be elected to national office and the old codgers behind their Party will be dead...as dead as their policies.
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Mar 20, 2013 22:56:32   #
Wow...........


Jan F. Rasmussen wrote:
Bazamac wrote:
ted45 wrote:
amyinsparta wrote:
stevenelson wrote:
This is what I think.


sorry, but God does not deal with guns. God deals with Love and Life. YOU deal with guns and death.


I suppose you never read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah? Moses and the Red Sea? According to the Bible God has a bit of Rambo in his soul.


According to the bible he's a bit of a serial killer, mass murderer and ethnic cleanser, if truth be told.


LOL - well said! But still only in the old testament, right? God seems somewhat reformed in his latter days, maybe getting old and mellow or maybe it is actually not the same guy at all...
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Mar 20, 2013 22:49:53   #
Question: Of those 6,000 how many of those were committed by illeagally owned guns verses those owned by law abiding citizen with proper permit?


papayanirvana wrote:
Birdog9999 wrote:
More people are murdered with hammers than guns in the US FBI figures. Well then lets have hammer control also. I respect the rights of Americans commenting on this topic, but non Americans should mind their own business. We don't tell you how to run you country don't tell us how to run ours.


Actually it's "More people are murdered with hammers than rifles in the US"

...your "fact" conveniently leaves out murders by handguns

A quick fact-check reveals on average for the last few years: 600 deaths by blunt instrument(usually a hammer) 400 something by rifles... and 6000 by handguns as well as 2000 by guns of unknown type.
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Mar 20, 2013 22:24:40   #
That's right.


ted45 wrote:
KW Conch wrote:
TedPaul wrote:
You lack an understanding of the second amendment. The right to bear arms insures our well being from an oppressive government.


So you are planning to fight off the US Marines and Seal Team 6 with your trusty six shooter ?


The Army, Air Force, Navy, National Guard, Coast Guard, US Marines and Seal Teams 1 through 11 are sworn to uphold the Constitution not the government. There should never be a situation where a US Citizen is in fear of our own mitlitary.
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