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Mar 20, 2013 01:22:57   #
Richard94611
 
After this past weekend's big Republican convention/meeting, participants seem to believe that what they need to do is to "rebrand" the party. Rebranding is essentially a publicity/public relations maneuver with the purpose of convincing the public that a product is something that they have not previously seen it as.

The assumption seems to be that people will not perceive what the party continues to stand for (the wealthy) and against (minorities, women, gays, immigrants, the poor and the disenfranchised). We definitely need an active second party, but if the Republican thinkers continue to believe that rebranding rather than essential change will do the trick and let them win future elections, they are wrong. People aren't that stupid. They will continue to perceive who the Republican Party really stands for, not whom they say it stands for.

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Mar 20, 2013 02:20:38   #
qrpnut
 
'nuff said!!

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Mar 20, 2013 14:32:34   #
Penny MG
 
Richard94611 wrote:
After this past weekend's big Republican convention/meeting, participants seem to believe that what they need to do is to "rebrand" the party. Rebranding is essentially a publicity/public relations maneuver with the purpose of convincing the public that a product is something that they have not previously seen it as.

The assumption seems to be that people will not perceive what the party continues to stand for (the wealthy) and against (minorities, women, gays, immigrants, the poor and the disenfranchised). We definitely need an active second party, but if the Republican thinkers continue to believe that rebranding rather than essential change will do the trick and let them win future elections, they are wrong. People aren't that stupid. They will continue to perceive who the Republican Party really stands for, not whom they say it stands for.
After this past weekend's big Republican conventio... (show quote)


Funny thing, many of my friends are republican and they take offense to your statement, as do I. WE are NOT for the wealthy, and we are NOT againt minorities, women, gays, immigrans, POOR and disenfranchised. So I do believe your definition of republican is not exactly correct. We are conservative in he fact that we want our MONEY used wisely!! Not thrown out to everyone that is too darn lazy to get off their asses and work, who want everything handed to them. If the liberals want to support that crap, they can. So please stop painting all republicans or Non-liberals in this way.

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Mar 20, 2013 16:06:49   #
RixPix
 
Richard94611 wrote:
After this past weekend's big Republican convention/meeting, participants seem to believe that what they need to do is to "rebrand" the party. Rebranding is essentially a publicity/public relations maneuver with the purpose of convincing the public that a product is something that they have not previously seen it as.

The assumption seems to be that people will not perceive what the party continues to stand for (the wealthy) and against (minorities, women, gays, immigrants, the poor and the disenfranchised). We definitely need an active second party, but if the Republican thinkers continue to believe that rebranding rather than essential change will do the trick and let them win future elections, they are wrong. People aren't that stupid. They will continue to perceive who the Republican Party really stands for, not whom they say it stands for.
After this past weekend's big Republican conventio... (show quote)


The Republican party is a party that place symbolism above action and the good of their donors above the good of the nation. I guess when Rush Limbaugh the defacto voice of the Republican party states the problem is that they (the Republicans) are not conservative enough, he is in fact illustrating the very issues why they cannot get enough votes to elect anyone. Republican candidates receive fewer votes than Democratic candidates nation wide. Their platform is quite simply not what the majority of Americans want. It is that simple. Now, you can fuss and fume and say that the electorate is incorrect but that is your opinion or your friends opinion and you are out-numbered. So complain, fuss and fume all you want. You are now in the minority of the electorate and your voice will be heard but unheeded.

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Mar 20, 2013 16:39:28   #
NOSLEEP
 
RixPix wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
After this past weekend's big Republican convention/meeting, participants seem to believe that what they need to do is to "rebrand" the party. Rebranding is essentially a publicity/public relations maneuver with the purpose of convincing the public that a product is something that they have not previously seen it as.

The assumption seems to be that people will not perceive what the party continues to stand for (the wealthy) and against (minorities, women, gays, immigrants, the poor and the disenfranchised). We definitely need an active second party, but if the Republican thinkers continue to believe that rebranding rather than essential change will do the trick and let them win future elections, they are wrong. People aren't that stupid. They will continue to perceive who the Republican Party really stands for, not whom they say it stands for.
After this past weekend's big Republican conventio... (show quote)


The Republican party is a party that place symbolism above action and the good of their donors above the good of the nation. I guess when Rush Limbaugh the defacto voice of the Republican party states the problem is that they (the Republicans) are not conservative enough, he is in fact illustrating the very issues why they cannot get enough votes to elect anyone. Republican candidates receive fewer votes than Democratic candidates nation wide. Their platform is quite simply not what the majority of Americans want. It is that simple. Now, you can fuss and fume and say that the electorate is incorrect but that is your opinion or your friends opinion and you are out-numbered. So complain, fuss and fume all you want. You are now in the minority of the electorate and your voice will be heard but unheeded.
quote=Richard94611 After this past weekend's big ... (show quote)



You are so wrong. Liberal thinking and Liberal support is subject to the same fate as in all democracies. It will continue to hold wide support for a time. It took over 30 years in Canada for the Liberal party to become a pariah. Big government and the socialism that spawns it, eats itself from the inside out. A time will come, and it will come when the eyes of the voting public have a clear illustration of what has unfolded before them. Conservatives need not discard their values. The man how trades an ounce of principles for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated...

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Mar 20, 2013 17:04:31   #
Richard94611
 
Funny thing, isn't it, that the majority in this country say that you are indeed the party of the wealthy, as well as anti-immigrant, anti-gay, anti-women, and against the poor and disenfranchised. The majority is not stupid. We see you for exactly what you are and what you are not, and if you Republicans cannot see this, that is wonderful because it just means your party will diminish more and more in influence and you will lose even more power next election.


Penny MG wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
After this past weekend's big Republican convention/meeting, participants seem to believe that what they need to do is to "rebrand" the party. Rebranding is essentially a publicity/public relations maneuver with the purpose of convincing the public that a product is something that they have not previously seen it as.

The assumption seems to be that people will not perceive what the party continues to stand for (the wealthy) and against (minorities, women, gays, immigrants, the poor and the disenfranchised). We definitely need an active second party, but if the Republican thinkers continue to believe that rebranding rather than essential change will do the trick and let them win future elections, they are wrong. People aren't that stupid. They will continue to perceive who the Republican Party really stands for, not whom they say it stands for.
After this past weekend's big Republican conventio... (show quote)


Funny thing, many of my friends are republican and they take offense to your statement, as do I. WE are NOT for the wealthy, and we are NOT againt minorities, women, gays, immigrans, POOR and disenfranchised. So I do believe your definition of republican is not exactly correct. We are conservative in he fact that we want our MONEY used wisely!! Not thrown out to everyone that is too darn lazy to get off their asses and work, who want everything handed to them. If the liberals want to support that crap, they can. So please stop painting all republicans or Non-liberals in this way.
quote=Richard94611 After this past weekend's big ... (show quote)

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Mar 20, 2013 17:07:16   #
Richard94611
 
You know, Penny, there is an old but true saying that what a man (and I am sure a woman, too) believes can be seen by what they do, not by what they say. The actions and inactions of the Republican Party make it perfectly clear that the Party is anti-minority, anti-woman, anti-immigrant, anti the poor and anti the disenfranchised. You can shuck and jive all you want, but the truth comes from your actions, not from your mouth.


Penny MG wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
After this past weekend's big Republican convention/meeting, participants seem to believe that what they need to do is to "rebrand" the party. Rebranding is essentially a publicity/public relations maneuver with the purpose of convincing the public that a product is something that they have not previously seen it as.

The assumption seems to be that people will not perceive what the party continues to stand for (the wealthy) and against (minorities, women, gays, immigrants, the poor and the disenfranchised). We definitely need an active second party, but if the Republican thinkers continue to believe that rebranding rather than essential change will do the trick and let them win future elections, they are wrong. People aren't that stupid. They will continue to perceive who the Republican Party really stands for, not whom they say it stands for.
After this past weekend's big Republican conventio... (show quote)


Funny thing, many of my friends are republican and they take offense to your statement, as do I. WE are NOT for the wealthy, and we are NOT againt minorities, women, gays, immigrans, POOR and disenfranchised. So I do believe your definition of republican is not exactly correct. We are conservative in he fact that we want our MONEY used wisely!! Not thrown out to everyone that is too darn lazy to get off their asses and work, who want everything handed to them. If the liberals want to support that crap, they can. So please stop painting all republicans or Non-liberals in this way.
quote=Richard94611 After this past weekend's big ... (show quote)

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Mar 20, 2013 17:38:17   #
GregC
 
Oh now Penny, you know you're being mean wanting anyone to have to get off their duff and work for anything....NOT!

I agree with you but you'll hear Republicans are only for the rich but if that is so then I guess that would mean Republicans are for the democrats as well, especially if you look at the the number of millionaires both in the senate and house both sides. The president himself is a rich man but now having mentioned this we'll hear how much richer the Bush's are than him. But i gess we need to include the presidents supportes, you know the holliwood crowd, opera, michael moore, ect........ any other of the elite that are democratic supporters. Rich is rich and I'm comparing them to my family and friends. Middle class that pay our "fair share". Oh dang I did it again brought another one of the democrats montra's "paying our fair share, especially the rich, who are not paying their fair share and must do so". Ok so listen to what Bill Maher has to say on that subject, pay attention to the very end.
http://www.humanevents.com/2013/03/18/bill-maher-complains-that-his-taxes-are-too-high/
I'm sure he'll be given a stronger cup of kool-aide, to get back in track., lol.



Also Racheal M. Cut the defense budget that's exactly what we need to do, expose ourselves even more.


Penny MG wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
After this past weekend's big Republican convention/meeting, participants seem to believe that what they need to do is to "rebrand" the party. Rebranding is essentially a publicity/public relations maneuver with the purpose of convincing the public that a product is something that they have not previously seen it as.

The assumption seems to be that people will not perceive what the party continues to stand for (the wealthy) and against (minorities, women, gays, immigrants, the poor and the disenfranchised). We definitely need an active second party, but if the Republican thinkers continue to believe that rebranding rather than essential change will do the trick and let them win future elections, they are wrong. People aren't that stupid. They will continue to perceive who the Republican Party really stands for, not whom they say it stands for.
After this past weekend's big Republican conventio... (show quote)


Funny thing, many of my friends are republican and they take offense to your statement, as do I. WE are NOT for the wealthy, and we are NOT againt minorities, women, gays, immigrans, POOR and disenfranchised. So I do believe your definition of republican is not exactly correct. We are conservative in he fact that we want our MONEY used wisely!! Not thrown out to everyone that is too darn lazy to get off their asses and work, who want everything handed to them. If the liberals want to support that crap, they can. So please stop painting all republicans or Non-liberals in this way.
quote=Richard94611 After this past weekend's big ... (show quote)

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Mar 20, 2013 17:42:09   #
Kombiguy
 
You forgot that we hate puppies, eat kittens, and worship the devil.

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Mar 20, 2013 19:20:17   #
pbearperry
 
The Republican party is a lot of things,but not Socialist and that's good enough for this guy.

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Mar 20, 2013 20:12:53   #
Richard94611
 
Penny, you may be amused by going to a conservative, largely Republican website I chanced upon this morning. You Republicans once again are shooting yourselves in the foot. On this rebranding matter, Republicans say they must rebrand the party to appeal to minorities and young people. Yet check out this conservative news item:

https://mail.google.com/mail/#inbox/13d8700dba35dcae

The Party bigwigs say they want to appeal to minorities and young people. And they say they want no new taxes. Yet here is a Republican move to start taxing downloads from iTunes. Way to go !

Remember the night of this past Presidential election, when all your party elite were confidently crowing about how your party had won by a landslide ? That went to show how out of touch with reality Republicans were. And this is just another demonstration.

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Mar 20, 2013 22:06:12   #
GregC
 
Richard, as far as being a "republican", if there were democrats on a ticket that I agreed with more than a republican/third party I'd vote and have done so in the past; all be it very few times. I just can't agree with the majority of the dems who want to make the US too much of a welfare state. Instead of encouraging/helping people to get a job, learn a trade, they extend the unemployment out so far there is no incentive to go out and find a job for a long time. The dems keep screaming "fair share", would you not agree that should come a time time when everyone (able bodied) should pay their share, what ever that is? Able bodied People making a living off of welfare, food stamps, ect are too often portrayed as victims. "Require" them to learn a trade so they can contribute instead of taking.

By the way what is a fair share for middle class, "rich"? You never hear a number of any kind, just "they" need to pay their "fair share".
I know I hadn't stayed in point but thought it worth asking.

Richard94611 wrote:
Penny, you may be amused by going to a conservative, largely Republican website I chanced upon this morning. You Republicans once again are shooting yourselves in the foot. On this rebranding matter, Republicans say they must rebrand the party to appeal to minorities and young people. Yet check out this conservative news item:

https://mail.google.com/mail/#inbox/13d8700dba35dcae

The Party bigwigs say they want to appeal to minorities and young people. And they say they want no new taxes. Yet here is a Republican move to start taxing downloads from iTunes. Way to go !

Remember the night of this past Presidential election, when all your party elite were confidently crowing about how your party had won by a landslide ? That went to show how out of touch with reality Republicans were. And this is just another demonstration.
Penny, you may be amused by going to a conservativ... (show quote)

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Mar 20, 2013 22:21:19   #
RixPix
 
NOSLEEP wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
After this past weekend's big Republican convention/meeting, participants seem to believe that what they need to do is to "rebrand" the party. Rebranding is essentially a publicity/public relations maneuver with the purpose of convincing the public that a product is something that they have not previously seen it as.

The assumption seems to be that people will not perceive what the party continues to stand for (the wealthy) and against (minorities, women, gays, immigrants, the poor and the disenfranchised). We definitely need an active second party, but if the Republican thinkers continue to believe that rebranding rather than essential change will do the trick and let them win future elections, they are wrong. People aren't that stupid. They will continue to perceive who the Republican Party really stands for, not whom they say it stands for.
After this past weekend's big Republican conventio... (show quote)


The Republican party is a party that place symbolism above action and the good of their donors above the good of the nation. I guess when Rush Limbaugh the defacto voice of the Republican party states the problem is that they (the Republicans) are not conservative enough, he is in fact illustrating the very issues why they cannot get enough votes to elect anyone. Republican candidates receive fewer votes than Democratic candidates nation wide. Their platform is quite simply not what the majority of Americans want. It is that simple. Now, you can fuss and fume and say that the electorate is incorrect but that is your opinion or your friends opinion and you are out-numbered. So complain, fuss and fume all you want. You are now in the minority of the electorate and your voice will be heard but unheeded.
quote=Richard94611 After this past weekend's big ... (show quote)



You are so wrong. Liberal thinking and Liberal support is subject to the same fate as in all democracies. It will continue to hold wide support for a time. It took over 30 years in Canada for the Liberal party to become a pariah. Big government and the socialism that spawns it, eats itself from the inside out. A time will come, and it will come when the eyes of the voting public have a clear illustration of what has unfolded before them. Conservatives need not discard their values. The man how trades an ounce of principles for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated...
quote=RixPix quote=Richard94611 After this past ... (show quote)


My post was clearly stated and accurate. Your response is inane as it does not address the issue of the topic Republican Rebranding. Your biggest error is that you think the current Democratic Party is liberal. It is very far from being a truly liberal agenda. In fact, it is more like the Republican Party of the 1970s. You state that Conservatives need not discard their values. I agree. In fact, that's what I am hoping they do. I hope they double-down on the antiquated ideology for at least the next six years. That will ensure a brighter future for the country as not one of them will be elected to national office and the old codgers behind their Party will be dead...as dead as their policies.

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Mar 20, 2013 22:44:00   #
NOSLEEP
 
RixPix wrote:
NOSLEEP wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
After this past weekend's big Republican convention/meeting, participants seem to believe that what they need to do is to "rebrand" the party. Rebranding is essentially a publicity/public relations maneuver with the purpose of convincing the public that a product is something that they have not previously seen it as.

The assumption seems to be that people will not perceive what the party continues to stand for (the wealthy) and against (minorities, women, gays, immigrants, the poor and the disenfranchised). We definitely need an active second party, but if the Republican thinkers continue to believe that rebranding rather than essential change will do the trick and let them win future elections, they are wrong. People aren't that stupid. They will continue to perceive who the Republican Party really stands for, not whom they say it stands for.
After this past weekend's big Republican conventio... (show quote)


The Republican party is a party that place symbolism above action and the good of their donors above the good of the nation. I guess when Rush Limbaugh the defacto voice of the Republican party states the problem is that they (the Republicans) are not conservative enough, he is in fact illustrating the very issues why they cannot get enough votes to elect anyone. Republican candidates receive fewer votes than Democratic candidates nation wide. Their platform is quite simply not what the majority of Americans want. It is that simple. Now, you can fuss and fume and say that the electorate is incorrect but that is your opinion or your friends opinion and you are out-numbered. So complain, fuss and fume all you want. You are now in the minority of the electorate and your voice will be heard but unheeded.
quote=Richard94611 After this past weekend's big ... (show quote)



You are so wrong. Liberal thinking and Liberal support is subject to the same fate as in all democracies. It will continue to hold wide support for a time. It took over 30 years in Canada for the Liberal party to become a pariah. Big government and the socialism that spawns it, eats itself from the inside out. A time will come, and it will come when the eyes of the voting public have a clear illustration of what has unfolded before them. Conservatives need not discard their values. The man how trades an ounce of principles for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated...
quote=RixPix quote=Richard94611 After this past ... (show quote)


My post was clearly stated and accurate. Your response is inane as it does not address the issue of the topic Republican Rebranding. Your biggest error is that you think the current Democratic Party is liberal. It is very far from being a truly liberal agenda. In fact, it is more like the Republican Party of the 1970s. You state that Conservatives need not discard their values. I agree. In fact, that's what I am hoping they do. I hope they double-down on the antiquated ideology for at least the next six years. That will ensure a brighter future for the country as not one of them will be elected to national office and the old codgers behind their Party will be dead...as dead as their policies.
quote=NOSLEEP quote=RixPix quote=Richard94611 A... (show quote)


Your kidding right. Your not really that niave... Really.
Your post was clearly not accurate, just hopefull.
You state the Democraticic party is not Liberal. Your not really that niave... Really. The antiquated ideology you despise is responsible for the U.S. prosperity over the last 65 + years. You go a head and puff your chest out. Feels good doesn't it. Your party of self absorption has already laid the seeds, and its roots are set for its own destruction. Just a little more rope...

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Mar 20, 2013 23:23:11   #
PrairieSeasons
 
RixPix wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
After this past weekend's big Republican convention/meeting, participants seem to believe that what they need to do is to "rebrand" the party. Rebranding is essentially a publicity/public relations maneuver with the purpose of convincing the public that a product is something that they have not previously seen it as.

The assumption seems to be that people will not perceive what the party continues to stand for (the wealthy) and against (minorities, women, gays, immigrants, the poor and the disenfranchised). We definitely need an active second party, but if the Republican thinkers continue to believe that rebranding rather than essential change will do the trick and let them win future elections, they are wrong. People aren't that stupid. They will continue to perceive who the Republican Party really stands for, not whom they say it stands for.
After this past weekend's big Republican conventio... (show quote)


The Republican party is a party that place symbolism above action and the good of their donors above the good of the nation. I guess when Rush Limbaugh the defacto voice of the Republican party states the problem is that they (the Republicans) are not conservative enough, he is in fact illustrating the very issues why they cannot get enough votes to elect anyone. Republican candidates receive fewer votes than Democratic candidates nation wide. Their platform is quite simply not what the majority of Americans want. It is that simple. Now, you can fuss and fume and say that the electorate is incorrect but that is your opinion or your friends opinion and you are out-numbered. So complain, fuss and fume all you want. You are now in the minority of the electorate and your voice will be heard but unheeded.
quote=Richard94611 After this past weekend's big ... (show quote)


Actually, the Republican candidates don't receive fewer votes than Democratic candidates nation wide. That bit of sophistry is true for national offices and elections, but not for statewide and local elections.

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