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Aug 4, 2018 18:57:53   #
Mister H wrote:
Based on this groups experience, is it better to shoot color and edit to black and white? Or set DSLR to black and white mode to start with. Curious if the quality ends up the same or not. My eye can't tell, but something may be pointed out that I'm not looking for. If this has been beat to death, let me know and I'll try to dig for it. Thank you.


There are many different opinions on this topic. If you want to end up with black and white prints, set your camera to shoot both raw and jpeg. Then set the camera's mode to monochrome. Now when you look through the viewfinder (on an Olympus em1 MkII) you will see the image in black and white. On Nikons you will see a black and white image on the LCD. That allows you to evaluate the tones in the scene in monochrome instead of trying to guess how a colour conversion to black and white will work out. Of course, when it comes to producing the final image for printing you can work with your raw file and use conversion software such as NIK Silver Effects.
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Jul 31, 2018 22:02:53   #
Nightski wrote:
But .. there's a shot here too. I've seen them. I think just waiting until you get a couple of them doing something that grabs the eye.


Thanks, Sandra. In photography, like all visual arts, the most difficult thing is not deciding what to put in, but deciding what to leave out. In photography we have the additional problem of figuring out just how to leave it out.
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Jul 31, 2018 21:57:05   #
Country's Mama wrote:
I like the extra space, but I am not crazy about the extra birds that are in focus. If I had to rework I would go somewhere between the two. If I had to choose it would be the first because I believe it is more compositionally pleasing. It is a little tight for my taste, but you lose the composition with the second. The first just needs a little more room at the top and bottom to be perfect. :)


Thanks, Judy. For 'perfect' I'll squeeze a little harder.
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Jul 31, 2018 12:21:39   #
Uuglypher wrote:
Hi, Don,

I like your second-posted view more than the closely cropped first one.... puts the landing birds in their larger context among their fellows!
...to me it says more about their community life at the moment.

Super image!

Dave


Thanks for your thoughts, Dave. I think they reflect your scientific background more than your inner artist. I was looking for a compositionally pleasing layout rather than one reflective of the chaotic reality of a gannet colony. (Image for illustration purposes only. Not intended for critique)


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Jul 31, 2018 10:45:02   #
Country's Mama wrote:
Technically I think this is really well done, I like the position of the birds and the poses they are in are interesting. I have to agree with SteveR though that the crop, especially at the bottom is a bit tight.


Thanks Judy and Steve. There is a bit more space around the subject birds in the original image. I will play with the crop a bit more and include your suggestion in the final edit of the raw file. Attached is the original full image.


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Jul 31, 2018 10:38:59   #
Country's Mama wrote:
Technically I think this is really well done, I like the position of the birds and the poses they are in are interesting. I have to agree with SteveR though that the crop, especially at the bottom is a bit tight.


Thanks, Judy and Steve. I've had another look at the raw file and there is a bit more room to back off a bit without doing too much 'cloning out'. I'll include your suggestion in the final edit. The original image is attached.


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Jul 30, 2018 12:20:47   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Don, the colors and action in the image are wonderful. Did you post to the Critique section for additional ideas?

Is this downsized or heavily cropped to 1333x1000-pixels? My first hope would be to see a version in a higher resolution. A few other ideas should you reopen the image in edit:

a) clone out the black dots below the beak / eye of the highest bird in the image. They're probably water droplets, but they look like sensor dust as a minor distraction.

b) clone out the beak of an unseen bird in the lower right corner.

c) process the noise (grain), particularly the background of the cliff behind the birds. This is a matter of preference, but I think a "smoother" feel to the background will improve the image and keep the focus on the birds.

d) look at the white balance settings. On my monitor there seems to be a slight green tint to the image.
Don, the colors and action in the image are wonder... (show quote)


This was cropped from a 20 mb file to a 10 mb file of 3565 x 2952 px. That was then downsized for web display.
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Jul 30, 2018 12:05:36   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Don, the colors and action in the image are wonderful. Did you post to the Critique section for additional ideas?

Is this downsized or heavily cropped to 1333x1000-pixels? My first hope would be to see a version in a higher resolution. A few other ideas should you reopen the image in edit:

a) clone out the black dots below the beak / eye of the highest bird in the image. They're probably water droplets, but they look like sensor dust as a minor distraction.

b) clone out the beak of an unseen bird in the lower right corner.

c) process the noise (grain), particularly the background of the cliff behind the birds. This is a matter of preference, but I think a "smoother" feel to the background will improve the image and keep the focus on the birds.

d) look at the white balance settings. On my monitor there seems to be a slight green tint to the image.
Don, the colors and action in the image are wonder... (show quote)


Thank you for these tips. This is why I posted it here. I will revisit this and repost at a later time. I am away from home and working on an uncalibrated 11" Macbook so I may wait until I get home and apply your tips when I edit the raw file. This was a jpeg edit. The small screen may excuse the small spots and the grain, and maybe even the colour. But there is no excuse for missing the intruding beak.
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Jul 30, 2018 11:58:16   #
Thank you. This was taken at the Cape St. Mary's Ecological Reserve in Newfoundland. Far away from the smoke.
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Jul 30, 2018 09:47:09   #
Northern Gannets


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Jul 30, 2018 09:45:32   #
Northern Gannets


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Jul 30, 2018 09:27:48   #
Volk359 wrote:
The background was what we had that I thought would be a good neutral color. But I see what you mean and I think a solid navy background to offset the white would be better. And a splash of color in the plate too, maybe some sliced oranges?


May I suggest lemon wedges. I don't think anyone puts oranges in their tea, not even Russians.
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Jul 30, 2018 09:17:36   #
A simple crop and a couple of tweeks.


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Jul 30, 2018 09:01:57   #
Very nice character study rendered in your signature edgy monochrome. Two aspects of this photo inspire me to ask if they were accidental or deliberate. Firstly, the sharpest focus appears to be on the near surface of the metal railing rather than on the subjects eyes. Second, two of the men appear to be intently studying the cattle on offer while the other two are looking directly into the camera. Was this accidental, or did you wait for this to happen?
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Jul 29, 2018 12:51:47   #
Thanks Dave. I have posted one other on the 'Birds in Flight' section.
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