E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Hi folks!
I usually don't start a thread with a complaint but it has reached a point, where a certain group in our community, will BLAME the fledgling new âÂÂAdvice for the Prosâ section if war were to break out on the Korean Peninsula- perhaps if the Mount St. Helen volcano ever erupts again! I am trying to take a humorous approach but it is rather perturbing that, lately, every time there is a movement or a referral of a thread or post from one section or another or anyone has a gripe with the administrator, the cause seems to go to the new effort.
Folks are bandying about terms like elitism, compartmentalization, cliques! Well- everyone is entitled to their opinions but...
The photographic community is not the military. Professionals and advanced workers don't wear badges, insignia or have caps of different colors to differentiate themselves as âÂÂelite troopsâÂÂ! As far as I am concerned the reputation of a true professional is only as good as their last assignment and satisfied client. As a teacher or adviser, any professional is only as good as their track record for providing accurate, useful and practical advice and information and their willingness to reach out, help and share. All the rest is hyperbole!
Sadly enough, there is a culture, running through this forum, of resentment for professional photographers. Whenever the subject of âÂÂprofessionalsâ arises there are usually some remarks about pros being elitist, arrogant, hacks, cookie cutter artists, know-it-alls, charlatans, folks who take baby and Santa Claus pictures in shopping malls or passport pictures at the license bureau, people who do mediocre work but manage to get paid for it and worse. Some of this may be true, in a very small minority, but this attacking group likes to paint all the pros with the same negative brush. Most of the pros I know are hard working consummate professionals, competent journeymen or true masters of their specialties. Unfortunately, there are phonies, fakers and charlatans in every trade, profession and business but fortunately, they are eventually found out and don't last very long.
Oh- Some may ask, how do I know that this resentment really exists and think perhaps I am paranoid. Well- the very first time I posted on this forum, and modestly identified myself as a professional/commercial photographer, I got a âÂÂwho do you think you areâ kinda response and a challenge to show my pictures. So I showed my pictures and carried on. Every now and again, a similar response to one of my posts arises.
As far as compartmentalized, departmentalized or âÂÂcliqueâ sections, what's up with that?! God knows there are enough fine sections on this site to accommodate just about anyone's interest in photography and then some. There are even sections dedicated to idle gossip, non-photography related subject matter and all kids of âÂÂhate and discontentâÂÂ! Folks can go to any of theses sections and involve themselves in any way the wish. Unless something is in extremely poor taste, offensive or illegitimate, why bother knocking it- just don't go there.
I think that much of the resentment, objection and disquieting remarks pertain to the new section are due to personal conflicts, personality incompatibilities, long standing feuds and and a few (yes) cliques, not cliques that are based on photography styles or modes or artistic philosophies, but groups ganging up on certain individuals or other groups and encouraging verbal combat. Personally, I feel put off and even slightly victimized by this in that I do not presently or never have participated in any of this âÂÂcombatâ and most of it started long before I even came on this site or became invollved in any section management or mentoring activities.
Of course, there is here, like in every other segment of society, a tinge of ageism. If you are an older photographer and not a child of the digital age, there are âÂÂold manâ remarks. In some cultures, older folks are respected and consulted for their experience and acquired wisdom, especially in in areas of craftsmanship and insight into philosophical issues. Not around here! I am not saying that age or tenure automatically is accompanied by wisdom and knowledge but oftentimes, asking for advice from someone with long time experience can avoid and negate a whole lot of floundering around and set folks off on the right track.
I don't think that anyone that is connected with the new section is out to hijack or upstage any other section. I manage two modest sections and co-manage the Wedding section. On occasion , I see a post in the main section where someone is seeking advice on wedding photography. I try to answer the question but I will oftentimes suggest that the take the question to the wedding section. Why do I do that? Usually when a wedding issue arises on the main section there are numerous posts discouraging the OP form photographing a wedding, because it is it is a terrible aspect of photography and this is usually accompanied by a raft of posts where folks tell horror stories about the âÂÂawful photographerâ who messed up a family wedding, charged too much, or ripped them off. There is always a poster professing that professional wedding professional wedding just ain't worth the investment! Frankly, perhaps some, a small portion, of this negativism is well founded or true but meanwhile the OP's question is never resolved. Perhaps he or she is not up to the job or is ill-equipped. My experience is that they will attempt to do it anyway so at least I can offer some solid advice and the gang in the wedding section have experience, do well at what they do and actually enjoy their work and encourage others to do likewise. This is not hijacking or elitism.
When I started my 2 managed section, I was told by the administrator that I am expected to promote and advertise my own sections. I don't do so by belittling other sections, trying to hijack anything or creating tumult in the main section.
I have been taken to task for writing very long posts-my bad! If however, if you add up all the characters, word counts and waste of bandwidth that is taken up by argumentative name calling, nasty commentary, snide and overly sarcastic quips and remarks, stuff that has nothing to do with photography, arguments over spelling, grammar, writing styles, semantics and entomology, all of my lengthy posts put together, pale in volume.
As my favorite dearly departed comedian, Joan Rivers, used to say.
âÂÂGROW UPâÂÂ!
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