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Oct 15, 2017 12:16:06   #
I think that part of your challenge here is the slowness of the lens from an aperture standpoint. F/5.6 is pretty slow and it also makes the DOF large enough that too much is in focus in your photo and it makes it difficult to separate the bird from the rest of the scene a bit. Unfortunately that is the lens that you have now so you just have to work with it if and until you can get something faster lens wise. I would suggest you get an app for your phone or tablet for DOF. You can get them for free or a couple dollars. That way you can plug in the parameters of the camera, lens and distance and get feedback on the acceptable DOF. The closer you shoot toward the 300mm end of the lens the shallower the DOF will be at a given aperture. Shorter length of lens will give greater depth of field at any given aperture. For example, my DOF calculator indicates that a 1.6 crop camera with a 600mm lens at f/4 shot at 30' has a DOF of 0.11 feet... While a 300mm lens at f/5.6 on the 1.6 crop camera has a DOF of 0.63 feet at 30 feet away. Almost 6 times the total depth of field.

The other thing you can do to deal with the limitations of your current lens is to shoot in RAW and crop a great deal to isolate the subject more. That will not be a great solution with a lot of cropping as you will greatly reduce the resolution of the picture. The other thing that could be done is to use post processing software to reduce sharpness or blur the surrounding elements and isolate the subject more. You can also do that with vignetting tools and use that to frame and isolate the subject.

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Todd Ferguson


Einreb92 wrote:
Thanks you all for your suggestions and valuable information. Of course this quandary is typical of the relative newbie that I am. Here is where my confusion comes in play. While some of the birds are in motion, it is mostly because I catch them, while they are moving from one branch to another. I am not discussing catching them in actual flight...at least not yet? Lol. Mainly, I have been capturing them from a second-story window (open of course) where they perch against a backdrop of verdant leaves of several bushes on the western side of the yard. My office window is my version of a blind. The lens (Tamron 70-300) is not very fast at 5.6, maximum reach, especially if the light is low, which it often is, given the location of the area these birds seem to favor. But it can render nice images, IMHO.

I tried shooting the birds at slower shutter speeds allowing more light, but then the ISO ended up rendering an image with more noise than I cared for, and the images weren’t as sharp as I wanted. So I figured what the heck and set for shutter speed of 500-800 in S mode. While the image sooc is often darker than optimal, I have had great success in PP. All of this while ignoring the meter. Then it dawned on me that maybe the D7200 software wasn’t actually doing what I thought it was doing, and so decided to ask the more experienced here. Ultimately, this IS the experiment and I am having trouble interpreting the results. I feel the solution is to return to full manual, but often, the time it takes to make the adjustments is twice the time it takes for the subject to fly away.
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Oct 15, 2017 11:36:02   #
We all make mistakes in sometimes not asking the right question or not knowing the question to ask. I have made less than ideal purchases in my hobbies even though I try hard to not do that. Sometimes education costs money in one way or another. The good news is you bought what are quality filters. Cookie, You can always resell them and get something that may be more useful. A good CPL if you don't have one or a ColorChecker Passport. Or there will be those who also say you should have them for protection. It might be a good idea if you were not using hoods. I am not sure there are totally correct answers...only those that make logical sense to our own manner of thinking. Some on here have 10 cameras and 25 lenses, but I would rather have one or perhaps 2 great cameras an a half dozen lenses ultimately. Does that make either of us wrong and the other right...probably not. I myself learned about the ColorChecker Passport about 8 years ago. But I sort of ignored it and only got into it a couple years ago. Fortunately I shot a lot of photos in RAW and I can go back and redo some of them as I want. After using the CCP it was sort of a forehead slap and saying what didn't I get this sooner... We all do the best we can under the various circumstances...live and hopefully continue to learn...

I found the Canon DPP software to be decent for edits but not a manager of images... There are tons of choices for editing too...

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Todd Ferguson

Cookie223 wrote:
Thanks Todd.

The one thing that I've learned and continue too, is the fact that one could spend a few bucks when you don't know what you're doing, or worse yet to ask the right question!
Have purchased some of the best rated filters for each lens, and I now have little if any use for them.

But on the bright side, I've spent the last hour playing around with the Canon picture program and so far it looks easier than I thought it would be. I'm going to give a few pictures a going over, and post the results.
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Oct 15, 2017 09:54:06   #
BebuLamar wrote:
I don't think he is honest. Although a lot of the things he said is true but he wanted you to understand in a different way altogether. So Ken isn't wrong but he is deceiving.


I tend to strongly agree with you...he is spinning it in many respects in my opinion...

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Todd Ferguson
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Oct 15, 2017 09:51:25   #
BebuLamar wrote:
If you use Shutter Priority mode you must watch the meter because it can easily be at maximum aperture and still isn't enough light and in such case you will have underexposure and the meter will indicate that.
If you use Aperture Priority there is less likely there will be an over or underexposure but there is good chance that the shutter speed get too slow for hand holding or for the moving subject. So you must watch the meter too.
In fact when you use any form of auto exposure the meter is the master so you must watch it.
You should disregard the meter if you determine the exposure yourself or with and handheld meter.
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Oct 15, 2017 09:51:05   #
Good points but keep in mind that Exposure Compensation is nothing more than changing the shutter speed or aperture in most cases depending upon the mode you are shooting.

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Todd Ferguson

via the lens wrote:
Do not disregard your meter reading, it is there for a reason. The meter reading gives you an idea of what is happening with the light at that time. As you most likely know, meter readings are generally about an 18% or so range reading, so they create a place to start from in any case. If you are shooting with your shutter your meter reading and your focus point are one and the same, this creates a situation where your meter reading can be off depending upon where your focus/metering point is set. You will need to correct for this with - or + exposure compensation. If you are shooting back-button autofocus you can focus and then move the point to a meter reading where you are on the brightest part of the subject and the meter reading will give you a more accurate reading for the subject, although you may still have to correct the reading. The camera meter reading provides a middle of the road meter reading and the photographer needs to provide correction as needed for the subject and lighting. If you set your shutter at a specific setting then you move ISO or aperture to get a correction, based on what you want. In general, with bird shots, I shoot aperture priority and set it from f/5.6 to f/8, depending upon the light and situation: my correction comes from the ISO, not the shutter as I want the shutter to remain fairly fast. However, if the shutter is much faster than I need I can correct with the shutter and leave the ISO alone to get a smoother shot. It's a constant "dance" of sorts and knowing your camera well helps a lot so that you can correct quickly. I have many successful shots of birds in flight (see the links below my name) so what I do has worked well for me in practice. I check my histogram often when shooting as well to insure that I am in the ballpark range for any correction in post that may be needed.
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Oct 15, 2017 09:14:01   #
twowindsbear wrote:
The same reason hoggers DEMAND the same information.



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Oct 15, 2017 09:09:39   #
jccash wrote:
I use the same rig and also live in Florida. Seems like the 200-500 was made for the D500. My wife is getting me a monopod for my BD next month. Fun hobby

Not a bird in flight but I was about 200 feet last month when I captured Rocky the Raccoon




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Oct 15, 2017 09:07:38   #
I look at shooting RAW and JPEG in this type of situation as insurance of a sort. The RAW is for insurance in case there is a major issue with a photo that may be very desired but the JPEG just didn't come out well. Storage is cheap. The JPEGs can all be delivered and used by the end user as they are or with some simple edits. Today I wish I had RAW files for shots I took 15 years ago as JPEGs. You may decide you would like to go back and edit RAW files years from now if only you had the files. Skills improve and interests change over time. But if you don't have the RAW files you are limited in what you can do with the images.

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Todd Ferguson
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Oct 15, 2017 09:00:29   #
Cookie, I never use filters on my lens to try to protect the lens. I guess I feel I get better bump protection from the lens hoods and just about always have them on even when indoors. So, I would go to hood use and leave the UV filter off. Using a unnecessary filter is just putting another piece of glass in front of your lens that was not part of the original lens design parameters. Then there is the whole issue of the quality of the filter in both the glass and in the coatings. That can vary widely and is why you can get a set of filters included free with a purchase to paying several hundred dollars for a single filter. Filters were and can be needed for film photography, even B&W film.

A UV filter is not needed in digital photography. I might use a neutral density filter if it is very bright out and I am trying to shoot with a wide open aperture and very slow shutter speed. An example would be to show the smoothing of clouds or water flowing in a landscape. Think of the ND filters as sunglasses for your lens. The only other filter I would possibly use is a Circular Polarizer to control reflections. But even this would mostly be used for Landscape shooting in my opinion. Other filter effects can be more easily simulated in Post Processing. My local camera store literally has large boxes of both new and used filters for sale in their used equipment area. They are largely not in demand for those shooting digital images.

As for Post Processing and managing your photos I would suggest you consider Lightroom and perhaps later using Photoshop if needed. I have nearly 60K images in my Lightroom catalog. I worked for decades in digital imaging and document management and Lightroom has very power ways to manage and organize the photos you shoot. I also do virtually all of my PP in Lightroom. There are powerful tools that enable one to quickly and accurately make corrections or changes to one or a number of photos. There is a learning curve but I found the Laura Shoe video on Lightroom to be very useful in learning the basics. She covers topics in small manageable video bites. There are also many users of Lightroom and other video resources on YouTube you can take advantage of too. Shooting in RAW, using a ColorChecker Passport and Lightroom can make a big difference in your photography. I use the $10 per month CC option for Lightroom and Photoshop. Some use the purchased versions if they object to the monthly utility like fee. You get all the updates included with the monthly subscription and some features that are not included with the purchased versions. There are many tools out there to do PP including the DPP software from Canon, and I used that for a long time. But I found I really needed a better way to manage my images and that is what ultimately took me to Lightroom.

Best,
Todd Ferguson




Cookie223 wrote:
Thanks Todd,
I normally use a hood, but due to the clouds I removed it for a few shots. I always have a B&W UV, based on your suggestions should I removed the filter for all shots, or just under certain conditions?
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Oct 15, 2017 08:38:09   #
Thanks for sharing Bill. I can understand that being your lens sweet spot. Do you have issues with DOF when the birds are very close with at crop body and long focal lengths. I would think the DOF could get very very shallow. I think you have a great combination for birding with the D500 and the 200-500!!!

Best,
Todd Ferguson

billnikon wrote:
Todd, I now use the Nikon 200-500 with the Nikon D500. I have found that my sweet spot on that lens to be 6.3. I shoot primarily in Florida wetlands on board walks, my birds are usually 5 to 200 feet from me. My keep rate is almost 98% and that's when the are moving across me and not at me. Love that lens and camera combo. I used to own the Nikon 300 2.8 and 200-400 4. I found them heavy but NO SHARPER than my 200-500, especially with post processing sharpening tools. I no longer have to haul these things around, I am very thankful for it. Again, I use GROUP AUTO FOCUS ( I believe in this setting because it gives me the best keeper rate), again, continuous auto focus and center weighted metering. And I use exposure compensation to fine tune my shots. I am very lucky to live so close to two of the most outstanding birding area's in the state of Florida. Green Cay and Wakodahatchee Wetlands.
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Oct 15, 2017 08:29:03   #
Your 7D is a crop sensor camera but you can use either EF-S or EF (full frame) lenses on it. The crop camera will narrow the field of view with a EF lens. EF mount lens is better option if you ever think you might go to a full frame Canon camera. The full frame camera cannot use a EF-S lens. The problem is that these all in one lenses are relatively slow aperture wise and are a compromise from a performance and Image Quality standpoint. 28-300 is over a 10x change in focal length. Most high quality zooms are in the 2-3x range....24-70mm or 70-200mm for example. Think about how often you use the short or long end of the lens. Many people shoot mostly between 35-135mm shots. That range of lens plus another longer lens may give you better IQ for the shots you shoot more often. Every lens is a compromise in certain ways. You have to decide which compromises you are willing to work with in your shooting.

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Todd Ferguson


swandsch wrote:
I would like to have an all-in-one lens. I have a Canon EOS 7D camera, should I be considering the Tamron 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 Di VC PZD Lens or the Tamron 16-300mm f/3.5-6.3 Di II VC PZD MACRO Lens.  I know one is for APS-C cameras and the other is for full frame, but I don't understand the difference or which lens is better for my camera.  Please advise.  
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Oct 15, 2017 08:18:50   #
Keep in mind that histograms are useful tools but can also be misleading.
They are based on the JPEG settings that you are using in your camera even if you are shooting in RAW.
If you are shooting and applying changes to your JPEG image in camera, Picture Styles in Canon, the histogram will reflect these changes as will the image you see on your camera display screen.

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Todd Ferguson
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Oct 15, 2017 08:15:03   #
dglphoto wrote:
I admit that I have never heard of ETTR or EBTR. From this brief discussion, I am getting a vague picture. But what I have no idea about is the abbreviation DR in the summary flowchart. What exactly is DR and where might I find a more complete discussion of ETTR and EBTR?


Watching a few of Joe Brady's Sekonic 758 metering videos on YouTube should help your understanding IMHO...

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Todd Ferguson
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Oct 15, 2017 08:12:17   #
cthahn wrote:
Why are all your club members interested in all this information?


I suspect they are just wanting to try to learn from the shots...
I use Flicker to look up photos taken with different camera and lens combinations that I may have or am interested in viewing.

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Todd Ferguson
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Oct 15, 2017 08:08:32   #
Kmgw9v wrote:
85mm 1.4 is a great portrait lens.
If you are going to rent, consider the 24-70mm 2.8.


for renting the 24-70mm or even a 16-35mm perhaps...

With only 10' of space on a crop sensor you are going to need to balance the crop sensor angle of view reduction with the distortion that can come from going with wider angle lenses. There are videos on YouTube that discuss this issue of facial distortion with different focal lengths. Joe Brady has one or two IIRC. Also think about just bouncing the flash off the wall behind you if you can to create a large soft light source.

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Todd Ferguson
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