ETTR and EBTR - I finally understood the opposition... It is a doozy: ETTR = Expose to the right EBTR = Expose Beyond the right Well, as you know there is a constant push back against...

Rongnongno Loc: FL

ETTR = Expose to the right
EBTR = Expose Beyond the right

Well, as you know there is a constant push back against this type of shooting and for good reasons...

Those who are against it do not understand WHEN to use it so they over blow their highlights and destroy the dark...

I was reviewing a few graphics I saved during some discussion and this one caught my eye. *TILT*

Folks who have tried and dismissed ETTR and EBTR as unworthy 'gimmicks' have not paid attention to this particular graphic, especially to the A condition that spells out "NOT SUITABLE".

As the cameras DR capabilities augments we will see more and more situations like the B histogram. So get ready to learn about the correct way to test and use ETTR and EBTR.

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rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

I'm an adherent and constant practitioner of ETTR and, especially, EBTR. I can produce photographs that testify to the fact that it works. Simple as that.
--Bob

Rongnongno wrote:

ETTR = Expose to the right br EBTR = Expose Beyond... (show quote)

dglphoto Loc: Lynnwood, WA

I admit that I have never heard of ETTR or EBTR. From this brief discussion, I am getting a vague picture. But what I have no idea about is the abbreviation DR in the summary flowchart. What exactly is DR and where might I find a more complete discussion of ETTR and EBTR?

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

DR is Dynamic Range
--Bob

dglphoto wrote:

I admit that I have never heard of ETTR or EBTR. From this brief discussion, I am getting a vague picture. But what I have no idea about is the abbreviation DR in the summary flowchart. What exactly is DR and where might I find a more complete discussion of ETTR and EBTR?

Rongnongno Loc: FL

dglphoto wrote:

I admit that I have never heard of ETTR or EBTR. From this brief discussion, I am getting a vague picture. But what I have no idea about is the abbreviation DR in the summary flowchart. What exactly is DR and where might I find a more complete discussion of ETTR and EBTR?

Here.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

rmalarz wrote:

I'm an adherent and constant practitioner of ETTR and, especially, EBTR. I can produce photographs that testify to the fact that it works. Simple as that.
--Bob

I know. I am trying a different tack to show WHY some folks do not understand the benefits of ETTR and EBTR w/o poorly reproducing your explanations.

cthahn

WDYGATIF?

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Rongnongno wrote:

ETTR = Expose to the right br EBTR = Expose Beyond... (show quote)

Too complicated! I prefer to expose Right!

Thanks for explaining the abbreviations at the top of your post. That avoids questions later on.

I'll save the chart for future reference.

Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC

I usually ETTL without clipping to the right and adjust for noise in post processing. I find that for most subjects I shoot are fast moving and have little time to pay attention to the histogram, however if shooting landscape or architecture I will consult the histogram.

Rongnongno wrote:

ETTR = Expose to the right br EBTR = Expose Beyond... (show quote)

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

dglphoto wrote:

I admit that I have never heard of ETTR or EBTR. From this brief discussion, I am getting a vague picture. But what I have no idea about is the abbreviation DR in the summary flowchart. What exactly is DR and where might I find a more complete discussion of ETTR and EBTR?

Watching a few of Joe Brady's Sekonic 758 metering videos on YouTube should help your understanding IMHO...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

Gitchigumi Loc: Wake Forest, NC

Thank you for the graphic... it is certainly helpful in explanation.👍👍

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

Keep in mind that histograms are useful tools but can also be misleading.
They are based on the JPEG settings that you are using in your camera even if you are shooting in RAW.
If you are shooting and applying changes to your JPEG image in camera, Picture Styles in Canon, the histogram will reflect these changes as will the image you see on your camera display screen.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

TGanner Loc: Haines, Alaska

ERADR?

ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or

Shoot and print what ever works for you.....it reminds me of the Zone System. Some like it some don't. Or the differences in a Tri-X negative developed in Microdol vs DiaFine. Different strokes for different folks. It is just different tools. Use what works for you. Happy Shooting.