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Jan 12, 2019 11:18:07   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
minniev wrote:
I have taken a couple of classes on this kind of artistry,


May I ask where?

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Jan 12, 2019 11:23:17   #
kenievans Loc: Dallas
 
minniev wrote:
THINKING ABOUT PRINTING


Thank you Minnie for the great information. I haven't started printing anything yet and I wouldn't have considered processing specifically for printing.

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Jan 12, 2019 11:30:39   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
brucewells wrote:
May I ask where?


This was the one I started with. https://prophotoshopartistry.com/specialoffer The others were from the same vendor, one for Black and White, and currently am in a longer and more ambitious class called Awake. While the popular subject matter of winged women does not interest me much, there are enough other kinds of work that do appeal, and the skills apply to anything. The course remains available to an enrollee forever, which is good for me since I need lots of repetition for anything to stick. PM me if you have any particular questions.

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Jan 12, 2019 11:32:25   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
47greyfox wrote:
About a year ago, I drove to St Elmo's Fire to catch some ghost town shots. That part was a disappointment, mainly due to too many cars and people making the images I wanted almost impossible to get without spending more time than I wanted in PP'ing. I decided to return home via Colo Rte 77 where I caught this image. It's a three bracketed shot with a slightly offset image of the same spot processed in HDR with the original three.


Oh my, that is an interesting and dreamy/mystical outcome that I'd never have thought to try! Very creative!

Thanks for sharing it.

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Jan 12, 2019 11:34:30   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
minniev wrote:
This was the one I started with. https://prophotoshopartistry.com/specialoffer The others were from the same vendor, one for Black and White, and currently am in a longer and more ambitious class called Awake. While the popular subject matter of winged women does not interest me much, there are enough other kinds of work that do appeal, and the skills apply to anything. The course remains available to an enrollee forever, which is good for me since I need lots of repetition for anything to stick. PM me if you have any particular questions.
This was the one I started with. https://prophotos... (show quote)



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Jan 12, 2019 11:45:32   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Did you see the two main forum topics (that ran nearly simultaneously) about this technique? I think I tried once with using same raw file, under- and over-exposed in the raw editor, then combined in main processing section (PS Elements).

How did you do yours, Richard? One thing I recall from the other discussion is that raw files are fairly easily edited for both highlights and shadows up to as much as 2 stops without blending.


I can't recall seing those topics.
Its been a while since I did that one, however I always shoot raw and inital processing done in Lightroom, with finishing off in Photoshop.
At the time I probably did the adjustments in LR and exported three files as PSD to be merged in PS.
Nowdays you can do it all in LR by creating virtual copies.

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Jan 12, 2019 11:48:51   #
fergmark Loc: norwalk connecticut
 
minniev wrote:
THINKING ABOUT PRINTING?

Some of the processing decisions I make when creating a non-literal landscape image depend on how, in the end, I think I may want to display it. For instance, if I want to print something on rough canvas I do not add a rough canvas texture because the two would fight each other; however, if I mainly want to display that same image online, I would add the canvas to emulate the look of printing on that surface.

I'm attaching a few images that illustrate this way of working.

1.Ducks in Cypress Swamp - Meant for printing on aluminum, I emphasized the shiny aspects and delicate branches. The actual scene was very gloomy as it was snowing, and way too dark. Layer of Topaz Detail among other things.
2. Pier in Morning Fog - Meant for printing on canvas. I added rough textures that the texture of the canvas would work well with and add a border vignette that I extended to account for the folding of the canvas.
3. Scottish Swans - Meant for printing on Red River Polar Pearl, a shiny metallic paper that I like to use at home. Again, I enhanced the shiny aspects that I knew the paper would look good for, but not as much as with the one meant for real metal.
4. Delta Bayou - meant for printing at home on Red River Aurora Art paper, a cold press type paper that has a sculpted look. I picked a texture and edge approach that I knew would make the lumps and bumps of that paper even more arty.
THINKING ABOUT PRINTING? br br Some of the proces... (show quote)


You can't overstate the importance of considering printing. It can be a big surprise to see everything wonderful about an image on the screen, fall short of your expectations when printed. With printing ones images as presumably the ultimate destination, we should all be more aware of our processing in that regard, and understanding that there are real limitations and hurdles when taking an image from the monitor to the printer

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Jan 12, 2019 11:58:35   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
minniev wrote:
Turned out well. Have you ever compared a single shot HDR to a traditional 3-5 shot HDR to see what the differences are? That's an experiment I keep meaning to do.


Thanks. No I havn't.
Nowdays (since 2015) HDR shooting is incredibly easy with my Olympus bodies. I just press a buton on the camera to turn HDR on. The next time you press the shutter release and will rattle off a number of shots (controlled by menu settings) in very quick sucession, and save them as raw files. A lot of the time I will be shooting hand held.
Here is an example from one of our morning walks.

"Sharron Valley", Merringo Gap, NSW, Australia
"Sharron Valley", Merringo Gap, NSW, Australia...
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Jan 12, 2019 12:01:34   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
minniev wrote:
Sometimes, the 'scape simply needs some of its furniture re-arranged. This image is not literal but not fantasy either, it is meant to be fairly realistic. I walked up onto a beach in the Cayman Islands in November and spotted: a flock of colorful chickens who scattered to my left, a woman directly ahead of me in the water trying to get a large sting ray off her fishing line, a beachy horizon that was too bright to capture even with a polarizer, and a portly man in a hammock to my immediate right. No more than two elements would fit in the frame at a time, so I captured all of them separately. This was one of those places where the guide tells you to have fun and be back at the vehicle in 5 minutes, so I was a bit impulsive.

The horizon and the man had to be seriously underexposed to hold the highlights. Still, the underexposed shot of the hammock potato provided the better scene, so I used it for the base and processed a layer of it in Aurora to introduce a touch of HDR. I had several shots of the fleeing chickens and chose one that I thought I could meld into the tricky blotchy sunlight where I wanted to place them. I processed the woman and the chickens each separately, also with a touch of Aurora but dialed it down more since they were more properly exposed. I had to scale the woman a bit to bring her close enough to the shore to put her where I wanted. Then I set about extracting the chunks of the image I wanted to move, and blending them into their new places. I used a texture painted over the water and another on the beach to help pull those pieces together.
Sometimes, the 'scape simply needs some of its fur... (show quote)



Great PPing.

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Jan 12, 2019 12:06:18   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
47greyfox wrote:
About a year ago, I drove to St Elmo's Fire to catch some ghost town shots. That part was a disappointment, mainly due to too many cars and people making the images I wanted almost impossible to get without spending more time than I wanted in PP'ing. I decided to return home via Colo Rte 77 where I caught this image. It's a three bracketed shot with a slightly offset image of the same spot processed in HDR with the original three.


Love the layers in this one.

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Jan 12, 2019 12:11:38   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
minniev wrote:
THINKING ABOUT PRINTING?

Some of the processing decisions I make when creating a non-literal landscape image depend on how, in the end, I think I may want to display it. For instance, if I want to print something on rough canvas I do not add a rough canvas texture because the two would fight each other; however, if I mainly want to display that same image online, I would add the canvas to emulate the look of printing on that surface.

I'm attaching a few images that illustrate this way of working.

1.Ducks in Cypress Swamp - Meant for printing on aluminum, I emphasized the shiny aspects and delicate branches. The actual scene was very gloomy as it was snowing, and way too dark. Layer of Topaz Detail among other things.
2. Pier in Morning Fog - Meant for printing on canvas. I added rough textures that the texture of the canvas would work well with and add a border vignette that I extended to account for the folding of the canvas.
3. Scottish Swans - Meant for printing on Red River Polar Pearl, a shiny metallic paper that I like to use at home. Again, I enhanced the shiny aspects that I knew the paper would look good for, but not as much as with the one meant for real metal.
4. Delta Bayou - meant for printing at home on Red River Aurora Art paper, a cold press type paper that has a sculpted look. I picked a texture and edge approach that I knew would make the lumps and bumps of that paper even more arty.
THINKING ABOUT PRINTING? br br Some of the proces... (show quote)


Super set, and thanks for the info.
Normally the only ones we print, and put up on walls, are vacation memories and some family pics. It helps my partner, a lot, with recalling things from the past and who is who in our family.

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Jan 12, 2019 12:28:43   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
47greyfox wrote:
About a year ago, I drove to St Elmo's Fire to catch some ghost town shots. That part was a disappointment, mainly due to too many cars and people making the images I wanted almost impossible to get without spending more time than I wanted in PP'ing. I decided to return home via Colo Rte 77 where I caught this image. It's a three bracketed shot with a slightly offset image of the same spot processed in HDR with the original three.


I really like the results! Thank you for posting it and the inspiration.

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Jan 12, 2019 12:41:27   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
Thanks. No I havn't.
Nowdays (since 2015) HDR shooting is incredibly easy with my Olympus bodies. I just press a buton on the camera to turn HDR on. The next time you press the shutter release and will rattle off a number of shots (controlled by menu settings) in very quick sucession, and save them as raw files. A lot of the time I will be shooting hand held.
Here is an example from one of our morning walks.


You are right that the Olys make short work of shooting an HDR. I usually use the option to process the 3 or 5 raws myself as I've had some unhappy surprises with the Oly doing for me and turning the result into a jpeg. And hand held works remarkably well unless you're trying to capture blurred water or something else that needs a super slow shutter. But I have not taken the "best of set" into post and developed it 3 ways, then blended it for Faux HDR and compared to the combined raw files. I would expect differences. A project for another rainy day!

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Jan 12, 2019 14:05:47   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
I can't recall seing those topics.
Thanks for your further information, Richard. If you're curious, here are the two:

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-572855-1.html
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-572750-1.html

FYI - I only followed for about 3 minutes

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Jan 12, 2019 14:31:37   #
SpikeW Loc: Butler PA
 
Linda from Maine
Its funny how I have come to notice the horizon level line in photographs. I think this is an UHH thing that I look for first. I don't say this is right but it has grown on me. I noticed what first appeared as a tilted horizon line then I noticed the tree and the mountain, both straight. I guess sometimes it needs more that first glance. Nice

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