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Sep 10, 2018 07:13:17   #
martinfisherphoto Loc: Lake Placid Florida
 
I bought a Refurbished Mac some 8 or 9 years ago and after several yrs I upgraded the Ram. It Still runs as fast as the day I bought it and even faster after the upgrade. I have been thru 3 different system upgrades FREE since owning, FREE. ALL of my prior software RUNS with the newer system upgrades. My computer will on occasion lock up, like 1 or 2 times a YEAR, compare that to any pc. Never have to defrag my computer, NEVER, EVER. Never have to pay monthly for anti virus software. It just simple works, day in and day out, I'm never left scratching my head calling support and hating using this machine. We all have enough stresss in our lives, my computer is Never one of them.........Yes, I'm willing to pay more money for less stress, call me old school..

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Sep 10, 2018 07:13:20   #
ggenova64
 
MAC and PC work very well! I use both operating system. I prefer MAC's interface then PC's. PC is cheaper price wise than MAC.

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Sep 10, 2018 07:20:56   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
martinfisherphoto wrote:
My computer will on occasion lock up, like 1 or 2 times a YEAR, compare that to any pc. Never have to defrag my computer, NEVER, EVER. Never have to pay monthly for anti virus software.


My PC never locks up. Windows 10 automatically defrags your hard drives as much as needed. Correct re antivirus software although I only pay once every 3 years so no hassle there. Perhaps when Macs get more popular and there are more of them you will get hit with so much crap you won't believe it. So pray that not too many users change over.

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Sep 10, 2018 07:39:20   #
Largobob
 
AndyH wrote:
I, respectfully, disagree. I know several. Windows machines still outsell Apples, for several reasons. My primary personal reason is that my last three Windows laptops have, in aggregate, cost less than the MacBook I could have bought seven years ago. You can afford more easily to have the latest generation Windows machine.

If you have unlimited funds, Apple is a better choice perhaps, but I live in the real world.

Andy


Andy. I do appreciate your opinion. If I understand you correctly, "my last three Windows laptops have, in aggregate, cost less than the MacBook I could have bought seven years ago." It appears you have "burned through" three Windows laptops in seven years. Seven years is hardly "broken in" for a Mac.

I have used both PC and Macs. Both have advantages and disadvantages. Yes, PC's tend to be less expensive, can more easily be modified/upgraded, but generally require more technical support to operate. Mac operating system and hardware (in my experience), seem to be much more user-friendly, intuitive, and stable for the non-technical, home user without IT support.

Just my two-cents, of course.

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Sep 10, 2018 07:42:15   #
Feiertag Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
Bipod wrote:
You might want to hold off on buying a Mac or Photo Shop for Mac.

Apple has announced it's intention to drop the Intel processor in Macs
and go to it's own flavor of ARM chip. It has acquired an ARM
foundry. If it goes though with this change, all existing Mac software
will need to be recompiled for the new RISC processor. In other words,
no existing Mac software will run on the new ARM Macs!

So if you intend to buy a Mac or Photoshop for Mac, I would strongly
suggest you wait until Apple either completes this migration or comes
to its senses and abandons this plan. Otherwise, you may end up with
two orphaned products.

Apple has not done a very good job over the years in keeping Mac hardware
backward compatible or even uniform within the prodution of one model.
If you open up any two Macs with the same model number, chances are you'll
find different parts. It's hard to imagine Apple succeeding as a processor maker--
even just to supply it's own manufacturing.

Mac hardware is also more expensive than PC hardware and more
proprietary. PCs still conform to some open standards: any conpany
that wants to can build a PC or PC device. You are not stuck with a
single supplier (not even Intel: AMD makes Intel-compatible processors).

Neither Microsoft or Apple are technology innovators. (Anyone who
disagrees should name one major technical advance invented (rather than
acquired) by either company.) However, PC makers and former makers--
including IBM, HP, Compaq, Digital Equipment, Fujitsu, Toshiba, etc.--
have a long history of innovation. *You* could invent a better PC--but if
you invented a better Mac, you'd be sued by Apple.

One thing to know is that Apple is locked out of the server market because
Max OS/X has too much overhead. OS/X is based on the NeXT OS that it
acquired from NeXT computer, which in turn was based on the Mach
microkernel developed by Carnegie Mellon Univerisity. Every major
server manufacturer looked at Mach when it first came out and rejected it.
Microkernels simply have too many layers and too-much calling and or
message-passing. They make great workstations but bad servers. This is
a fundemental design limitation that cannot be fixed. If Apple ever wants
to sell a server, it will have to run Linux, UNIX...or Windows NT.

Finally, there is the question of business risk. PC manufactures are
not very profitable, but there are many of them. Apple is very profitable,
but there is only one Apple--and it's main product isn't the Mac--it's
the iPhone.

Most analysts I've read beleive that iPhone sales currently are subsidizing
Mac production. Thus, if the iPhone catches a cold, the Mac may well get
pneumonia--even if Mac sales remain strong.

Finally, yesterday the US President told Apple only that it should move its
production to the US to avoid possible tariffs on its products that
are made in China. In 2013, all Macs were made in China, but Apple
promised to shift some production to the USA. It is not clear whether
or not that has happened.

A lot of PCs are made in China, but not all of them. PCs are also made
in Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia, and elsewhere.

These days, Apple s mostly a consumer electronics company. But a typical
consumer electronics companies (e.g. Philiips or Sony) have multiple brands
and hundreds of products; but Apple has *one* brand and is dependent on
about *six* products for 90% of its revenue.

Microsoft also has one main product and one main brand--but it doesn't make
computers. Windows is a monopoly (if you want to run Windows apps or
device drivers), and as long as Microsoft can collect royalities from OEMs
and upgrades, it will do fine.

Consumer tastes are notoriously fickle. Apple is taking a huge risk. The upside
potential of concentrating on just one product is huge--but so is the downside
potential. If the consumer suddenly develops an aversion to Tide brand laundry
detergent, Proctor & Gamble won't be hurt much because it also owns the Ariel,
Bold, Bonux, Cheer, Daz, Era, Dreft, Gain, and Ola brands of laundry detergent.
P&G has been around since 1837. Apple has been around (under various names)
since 1976, and was unprofitable from 1991 to 1997. It has been rocked more
than once by power struggles in top management.

With its astronomical stock price, any signifcant decline in Apple's earnings--for
whatever reason--would come as a big shock to its investors. Apple future hinges on
whether consumers in rich countries will continue to pay a premium for a smart phone
in a white-colored case.

Let me put it his way: would you want to buy a computer made by Nokia? Or Blackberry?
Or Motorola? All those companies were once riding high in the cell phone market.

Personally, I would prefer not to have the future of my photography linked to such
irrelevant imponderables. Both PCs and Macs have very poor security. Neither Apple nor Microsoft
is known for being transparent or easy to reach, so the less one depends on them, the better.
The only hardware I ever bought from Microsoft was a mouse. :-)

Microsoft is the lesser of two evils, because Windows is its main product, is less risky than
the smart phone business, will provide you with an upgrade path, and you have many choices
for PC hardware. Apple is a company, PCs are an industry.
You might want to hold off on buying a Mac or Phot... (show quote)


Thank you for your informative post. It comes at a perfect time for me. I was thinking of buying a Mac but now I will wait and see.
Harold

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Sep 10, 2018 07:48:07   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I used to use Windoze for running PS. I switched to an iMac a few years ago. The iMac won hands down and I'd hesitate to go back to MS.
--Bob
willE wrote:
Which is your preference? Microsoft or Mac
For Lightroom and photoshop to print?

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Sep 10, 2018 07:52:56   #
ggenova64
 
Do won't forget the free Tutorials at Today at Apple!

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Sep 10, 2018 08:19:26   #
peterg Loc: Santa Rosa, CA
 
I use a Mac. For the few Windows apps with no Mac equivalent, I run them on my Mac via "Parallels Desktop". I can seamless switch between Mac & Windows apps. Neat!

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Sep 10, 2018 08:43:45   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
The term "intuitive" is sometimes tossed around on this subject. However, there is no useful definition for intuitive relative to computer choice. Except, maybe, Intuitive: you already know how to use it. So... if you have been using PCs, stick with PCs. If you have been using Apple products (and don't need to save money), stick with Apple.

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Sep 10, 2018 08:46:09   #
GGerard
 
Isn't anyone going to mention Linux???

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Sep 10, 2018 08:46:56   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
GGerard wrote:
Isn't anyone going to mention Linux???


Probably not in a post titled "Microsoft or mac"

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Sep 10, 2018 08:48:16   #
GGerard
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Probably not in a post titled "Microsoft or mac"


Good point....

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Sep 10, 2018 08:56:48   #
manpho789
 
The simple truth is that Macs are a lot smoother to operate. All the stuff about Intel and Arm processors, Apple being “ risky” is a distraction. Apple isn’t going out of business anytime soon. As has been said many times, few who switched from PCs to Macs have regretted it. OTOH, there are legions of frustrated Windows users. BTW, it’s not PC hardware that is frustrating, it is the MS Windows OS that has been painful for so many years. The ease of use comparison is between the OSs, not the hardware. Yes, you will pay more, but that is to be expected-better products tend to cost more.

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Sep 10, 2018 09:03:27   #
Clapperboard
 
Well done Bipod! An informed sensible appraisal without any hint of boasting about his own kit. I can listen to your comments or suggestions with great respect. WINNER.

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Sep 10, 2018 09:22:29   #
jogodedentro
 
Macs will nearly always run smoother and be less buggy than similar or higher specced machines running windows. Although windows 10 is the best windows version so far compared to MacOs it is less optimized because it has to work on a much greater variety of machine configurations and software.

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