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Sep 9, 2018 19:53:11   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
AndyH wrote:
No. It’s neither agreeing or disagreeing.

It may, however be challenging the perception of inevitable superiority that some Apple fanboys display.

I am not anti-Apple. I’m writing this on my iPhone, which I think is superior to the Android and Microsoft competition.

Andy


So far, no one from the Apple crowd said anything about superiority. You did. But I would bet everything I have that less go from Apple to pc than the other way around

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Sep 9, 2018 19:53:41   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Honestly? Right now, in 2018, it makes no difference which computer platform or OS you use. Computers are just tools for the creative mind.
Just make sure you have a system with 32 Gb RAM and a multiple Terrabyte SSD drive.


I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Andy

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Sep 9, 2018 19:54:16   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
LWW wrote:
Windows is more susceptible to:

- Crashes.
- Viruses.
- Hacks.
- Breakdowns.

Macs are more susceptible to:

- Higher cost.
- Higher reliability.
- Higher resale value.
- Higher usability.
- Faster learning curves.
- Higher final speeds (Computer speed + human speed = final speed.)
- Higher compatibility with add-on accessories.


BS.

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Sep 9, 2018 19:55:43   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
tdekany wrote:
So far, no one from the Apple crowd said anything about superiority. You did. But I would bet everything I have that less go from Apple to pc than the other way around


I said “some Apple fanboys”. If you’re not one of them it doesn’t apply to you. I think you’re safe on that bet, I don’t think there are any statistics on this.

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Sep 9, 2018 20:24:09   #
srt101fan
 
Nikon or Canon?

Sorry, I couldn't resist that....😕

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Sep 9, 2018 20:25:59   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
srt101fan wrote:
Nikon or Canon?

Sorry, I couldn't resist that....😕


Ha ha ha!

That’s the most common UHH clickbait. “Click before they make me take it down!”

Andy

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Sep 9, 2018 20:34:13   #
Bipod
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Honestly? Right now, in 2018, it makes no difference which computer platform or OS you use. Computers are just tools for the creative mind.
Just make sure you have a system with 32 Gb RAM and a multiple Terrabyte SSD drive.

Wait until your computer is taken over by ransomware.
At that point, you will wish you had been runnng Unix.

The choice of OS matters greatly for security, reliability, efficiency, data integrity, ease-of-use and
total-cost-of-ownship. But one of the biggest factors is availability of device drivers.

Just about every peripheral comes with a device driver for Windows. The quality of these
drivers is generally better than those written by third parties. Something to consider.

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Sep 9, 2018 20:39:02   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Bipod wrote:
Wait until your computer is taken over by ransomware.
At that point, you will wish you had been runnng Unix.

The choice of OS matters greatly for security, reliability, efficiency, data integrity, ease-of-use and
total-cost-of-ownship. But one of the biggest factors is availability of device drivers.

Just about every peripheral comes with a device driver for Windows. The quality of these
drivers is generally better than those written by third parties. Something to consider.
Wait until your computer is taken over by ransomwa... (show quote)


I will admit, my iPhone has been less susceptible than my Windows laptop. But so has my wife’s non Apple phone.

Is it a phone vs. laptop thing, or one OS vs. another? I’m not technologically sophisticated enough to say with certainty.

Andy

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Sep 9, 2018 21:27:19   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
AndyH wrote:
I said “some Apple fanboys”. If you’re not one of them it doesn’t apply to you. I think you’re safe on that bet, I don’t think there are any statistics on this.


It’s called cognitive dissonance ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance ). If you pay more for something with no or minimal commiserate returns compared to an alternative, then you MUST find a reason (benefit) to rationalize the choice.

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Sep 10, 2018 06:23:11   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Bipod wrote:
You might want to hold off on buying a Mac or Photo Shop for Mac.

Apple has announced it's intention to drop the Intel processor in Macs
and go to it's own flavor of ARM chip. It has acquired an ARM
foundry. If it goes though with this change, all existing Mac software
will need to be recompiled for the new RISC processor. In other words,
no existing Mac software will run on the new ARM Macs!

So if you intend to buy a Mac or Photoshop for Mac, I would strongly
suggest you wait until Apple either completes this migration or comes
to its senses and abandons this plan. Otherwise, you may end up with
two orphaned products.

Apple has not done a very good job over the years in keeping Mac hardware
backward compatible or even uniform within the prodution of one model.
If you open up any two Macs with the same model number, chances are you'll
find different parts. It's hard to imagine Apple succeeding as a processor maker--
even just to supply it's own manufacturing.

Mac hardware is also more expensive than PC hardware and more
proprietary. PCs still conform to some open standards: any conpany
that wants to can build a PC or PC device. You are not stuck with a
single supplier (not even Intel: AMD makes Intel-compatible processors).

Neither Microsoft or Apple are technology innovators. (Anyone who
disagrees should name one major technical advance invented (rather than
acquired) by either company.) However, PC makers and former makers--
including IBM, HP, Compaq, Digital Equipment, Fujitsu, Toshiba, etc.--
have a long history of innovation. *You* could invent a better PC--but if
you invented a better Mac, you'd be sued by Apple.

One thing to know is that Apple is locked out of the server market because
Max OS/X has too much overhead. OS/X is based on the NeXT OS that it
acquired from NeXT computer, which in turn was based on the Mach
microkernel developed by Carnegie Mellon Univerisity. Every major
server manufacturer looked at Mach when it first came out and rejected it.
Microkernels simply have too many layers and too-much calling and or
message-passing. They make great workstations but bad servers. This is
a fundemental design limitation that cannot be fixed. If Apple ever wants
to sell a server, it will have to run Linux, UNIX...or Windows NT.

Finally, there is the question of business risk. PC manufactures are
not very profitable, but there are many of them. Apple is very profitable,
but there is only one Apple--and it's main product isn't the Mac--it's
the iPhone.

Most analysts I've read beleive that iPhone sales currently are subsidizing
Mac production. Thus, if the iPhone catches a cold, the Mac may well get
pneumonia--even if Mac sales remain strong.

Finally, yesterday the US President told Apple only that it should move its
production to the US to avoid possible tariffs on its products that
are made in China. In 2013, all Macs were made in China, but Apple
promised to shift some production to the USA. It is not clear whether
or not that has happened.

A lot of PCs are made in China, but not all of them. PCs are also made
in Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia, and elsewhere.

These days, Apple s mostly a consumer electronics company. But a typical
consumer electronics companies (e.g. Philiips or Sony) have multiple brands
and hundreds of products; but Apple has *one* brand and is dependent on
about *six* products for 90% of its revenue.

Microsoft also has one main product and one main brand--but it doesn't make
computers. Windows is a monopoly (if you want to run Windows apps or
device drivers), and as long as Microsoft can collect royalities from OEMs
and upgrades, it will do fine.

Consumer tastes are notoriously fickle. Apple is taking a huge risk. The upside
potential of concentrating on just one product is huge--but so is the downside
potential. If the consumer suddenly develops an aversion to Tide brand laundry
detergent, Proctor & Gamble won't be hurt much because it also owns the Ariel,
Bold, Bonux, Cheer, Daz, Era, Dreft, Gain, and Ola brands of laundry detergent.
P&G has been around since 1837. Apple has been around (under various names)
since 1976, and was unprofitable from 1991 to 1997. It has been rocked more
than once by power struggles in top management.

With its astronomical stock price, any signifcant decline in Apple's earnings--for
whatever reason--would come as a big shock to its investors. Apple future hinges on
whether consumers in rich countries will continue to pay a premium for a smart phone
in a white-colored case.

Let me put it his way: would you want to buy a computer made by Nokia? Or Blackberry?
Or Motorola? All those companies were once riding high in the cell phone market.

Personally, I would prefer not to have the future of my photography linked to such
irrelevant imponderables. Both PCs and Macs have very poor security. Neither Apple nor Microsoft
is known for being transparent or easy to reach, so the less one depends on them, the better.
The only hardware I ever bought from Microsoft was a mouse. :-)

Microsoft is the lesser of two evils, because Windows is its main product, is less risky than
the smart phone business, will provide you with an upgrade path, and you have many choices
for PC hardware. Apple is a company, PCs are an industry.
You might want to hold off on buying a Mac or Phot... (show quote)


https://9to5mac.com/2018/04/03/arm-based-mac-opinion/

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Sep 10, 2018 06:33:37   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
AndyH wrote:
I will admit, my iPhone has been less susceptible than my Windows laptop. But so has my wife’s non Apple phone.

Is it a phone vs. laptop thing, or one OS vs. another? I’m not technologically sophisticated enough to say with certainty.

Andy


I've had my current computer since 2011, and have yet to be infested with malware, have never experienced a crash, and enjoy 100% compatibility with every software title I choose to run on it. There are those infrequent times when I wish I had Final Cut Pro and not be limited to Adobe Premiere, but I manage those longings well and still get the work done.

There is a lot of mythology coming from the Apple side - about reliability, malware susceptibility, performance of Windows machines, and similar folklore that states that Macs are superior in every way possible. Well, people need to feel they made the right decision and believe that these things are true, even though they really don't have a personal basis for comparison - since they would rather break their 10 fingers before using them on a PC keyboard.

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Sep 10, 2018 06:37:55   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Counter Question: VCR or BetaMax.** Who won, no, not the best, rather the lower cost and the more available media. My history is based on an 8088 PC with an astounding 128mb of memory and a CPR rate of 8mb. My present home built PC 2015 is fast and mod graphic card 2017, updating a Mac is more problematic [? is it]. Lots of PC software available at low cost was another factor for me.

Most importantly, I am used to using a PC Windows-based computer and have no desire at 82 to change horses. At the Word 2007 change, I bought it and went back to the drop-down menus that I am used to... ribbon was of no advantage to me.

Stick with what you have is human... Sony AF was my only choice since I had many 1980s AF Minolta lenses, cost of changing to Nikon or Canon too high.

As with many things in life my favorite flip remark applies, "But what does reality have to do with it?"

**https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotape_format_war

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Sep 10, 2018 06:41:03   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
LWW wrote:
Windows is more susceptible to:

- Crashes.
- Viruses.
- Hacks.
- Breakdowns.

Macs are more susceptible to:

- Higher cost.
- Higher reliability.
- Higher resale value.
- Higher usability.
- Faster learning curves.
- Higher final speeds (Computer speed + human speed = final speed.)
- Higher compatibility with add-on accessories.


These links suggest otherwise - at least as far as performance, user experience are concerned.

https://www.slrlounge.com/lightroom-mac-vs-pc-speed-test-4k-imac-vs-4k-custom-pc-performance-test/

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Photoshop-CC-2017-Mac-Pro-vs-PC-Performance-934/

Show us quantitative testing that proves otherwise - or don't bother, since it is pretty clear that based on cost and hardware configuration, the top end Mac system is more expensive and not even close in performance to a mid-range PC. If you compare two systems at the same price point, the difference is even greater. If you have the $$$ and are ok with average performance, then there is no reason to not buy a Mac. It will get the job done - though it will take a bit longer.

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Sep 10, 2018 06:47:24   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
I have been selling PCs for 30 odd years. I was prepared to sell Apple to those who wanted them but could not source them. However large retailers could. The reason Apple gave was that the corporate retailers could provide a better service and knowledge which if your retailers are anything like mine it is BS. Then the MS laptops came out and same issue from MS. Neither company could care less about smaller sellers and only want the big guys. You can imagine my views on this.
Anyway I did a lot of selling to photographers and video editors. Some of these purchasers subsequently moved over to Macs. Almost without exception all these changeovers were by users who, in my opinion, really had no idea how to use a PC or lacked any ability to use their intelligence to solve problems, or more to the point, work out how to use applications. The bit about "my opinion" was based on the number of so simple problems that I had to solve for them time and again. They just couldn't understand. Even before they moved to Apple I knew who was going. In a couple of cases I even suggested it since I had had enough. I contrasted this with hundreds of PC users who just breezed through everything. I admit that there have been problems with MS software and hardware. Now I did own a Mac and I did fix some problems but the problems were just as bad as MS and the hardware failed as often. One thing I did note was that Mac users put up with slower performance for longer because of the much greater cost in upgrading.

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Sep 10, 2018 06:52:35   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
FINALLY......I agree with you. LOL



LWW wrote:
Windows is more susceptible to:

- Crashes.
- Viruses.
- Hacks.
- Breakdowns.

Macs are more susceptible to:

- Higher cost.
- Higher reliability.
- Higher resale value.
- Higher usability.
- Faster learning curves.
- Higher final speeds (Computer speed + human speed = final speed.)
- Higher compatibility with add-on accessories.

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