Burtzy wrote:
First of all, you don't send people to jail who are not yet charged with anything, especially if they are legally seeking asylum. Second, you don't arbitrarily turn them away when they are seeking asylum, forcing them to attempt to cross the border illegally, making them break the law. (The government has been regularly doing this. It is well documented.) Third, if they are caught entering illegally, that is a misdemeanor, like a traffic ticket. They don't need to be in jail. They can be immediately deported with the families intact. And fourth, in these 2000 cases, the government was both delinquent in their duty to keep accurate records of who was where and was illegally using the threat of never reuniting families as a deterrent to all forms of immigration. This has illegal written all over it. If you can't see that, you aren't reading.
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A misdemeanor is a crime punishable by no more that 1 year in a state prison, a traffic ticket is an infraction.
DaveO wrote:
Note that I responded to a number of 765,000 children not knowing if a parent would return, the implication being the parents were in harms way. My response was simply stating that the vast majority were not serving in combat zones. A little research will bear out my statement. I am not demeaning anybodies service, but calling the number given as grossly not factual. I served for over 23 years, so please don't go there.
The number does sound a bit high.
DaveO wrote:
I didn't realize that we had that many parents in combat zones. Probably because that statistic is erroneous by several hundred thousand.
Not all military parents are in combat zones as you state. When I was in the Navy I spent 5 months twice in Naples Italy while wife and kids were stateside. Down to Guantamo for 8 weeks twice. And so on. Your liberal hatred for the truth is showing.
letmedance wrote:
A misdemeanor is a crime punishable by no more that 1 year in a state prison, a traffic ticket is an infraction.
Nobody convicted of a misdemeanor goes to a state prison. Prisons are for felony convictions. Jails are for misdemeanor convictions.
Dennis
dennis2146 wrote:
Nobody convicted of a misdemeanor goes to a state prison. Prisons are for felony convictions. Jails are for misdemeanor convictions.
Dennis
Thanks for the correction.
papakatz45 wrote:
Not all military parents are in combat zones as you state. When I was in the Navy I spent 5 months twice in Naples Italy while wife and kids were stateside. Down to Guantamo for 8 weeks twice. And so on. Your liberal hatred for the truth is showing.
My statement was factual and you have not done any research or you would know. If I display liberal hatred, you are doing no more than letting your ass drive your foolish mouth. It is amusing how those with obvious hatred accuse others of their own faults. Your alt-right ignorance is showing. It is people like you who are ruining the party I actively served for many years.
DaveO wrote:
I didn't realize that we had that many parents in combat zones. Probably because that statistic is erroneous by several hundred thousand.
If you read it says kids, not parents! It is a known fact some parents have more than one child ergo many times more kids than parents in the military.
DaveO wrote:
My statement was factual and you have not done any research or you would know. If I display liberal hatred, you are doing no more than letting your ass drive your foolish mouth. It is amusing how those with obvious hatred accuse others of their own faults. Your alt-right ignorance is showing. It is people like you who are ruining the party I actively served for many years.
You made the statement, "I didn't realize that we had that many parents in combat zones. Probably because that statistic is erroneous by several hundred thousand." Stating the, "... statistic is erroneous..." without any proof is not factual as you just stated. Facts by definition are true and you present no facts to support your statement. And what does "alt-right ignorance " even mean? Please enlighten us.
Burtzy wrote:
First of all, you don't send people to jail who are not yet charged with anything, especially if they are legally seeking asylum. Second, you don't arbitrarily turn them away when they are seeking asylum, forcing them to attempt to cross the border illegally, making them break the law. (The government has been regularly doing this. It is well documented.) Third, if they are caught entering illegally, that is a misdemeanor, like a traffic ticket. They don't need to be in jail. They can be immediately deported with the families intact. And fourth, in these 2000 cases, the government was both delinquent in their duty to keep accurate records of who was where and was illegally using the threat of never reuniting families as a deterrent to all forms of immigration. This has illegal written all over it. If you can't see that, you aren't reading.
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Your Quote:"First of all, you don't send people to jail who are not yet charged with anything, especially if they are legally seeking asylum." When they cross the border they are charged with illegal entry, that is why they are picked up. Illegal entry. That is a crime! To claim asylum you have a procedure to go through, not commit a crime then yell asylum!
Quote:"Second, you don't arbitrarily turn them away when they are seeking asylum, forcing them to attempt to cross the border illegally"
No one forces them to break the law that is their own decision. Even you, by your use of the word 'Third, if they are caught entering illegally'; enforces that it is the law! Old quote: 'ignorance of the law is no excuse'! So they have no right to commit a crime.
Quote"Third, if they are caught entering illegally, that is a misdemeanor, like a traffic ticket. " Don't take care of misdemeanors and you can go to jail, can have many privileges take away, like towing of vehicle, also additional charges. Misdemeanors may be less than felonies but are more than torts! It is still a unlawful.
Quote:"They don't need to be in jail" Most illegals let go on their own recognizance never show up for the court date. That is one of the questions asked when and made to be understood when left go - they have to appear -which they don't! 2nd part of your quote: "They can be immediately deported with the families intact." No they can't. If true it would be done.
Your Quote:'And fourth, in these 2000 cases, the government was both delinquent in their duty to keep accurate records of who was where and was illegally using the threat of never reuniting families as a deterrent to all forms of immigration. " That is your opinion and that is all. If using your previous statement of immediate deporting, why need tedious record keeping if all that is needed is to drop them off on the other side at the border again.
papakatz45 wrote:
You made the statement, "I didn't realize that we had that many parents in combat zones. Probably because that statistic is erroneous by several hundred thousand." Stating the, "... statistic is erroneous..." without any proof is not factual as you just stated. Facts by definition are true and you present no facts to support your statement. And what does "alt-right ignorance " even mean? Please enlighten us.
Your laziness to verify or disprove my statement does not make it wrong simply because you say so. Where is your proof it is wrong? Did you bother to see how many people are actually serving in combat zones? Do a little work. There is plenty of info available if you bother to check and see what numbers you derive.. How does my statement display liberal hatred? It seems that whenever some alt-right person disagrees with someone, it automatically makes that person a lib. Yeah, I know, we have senators that are classified RINO's because they're not drinking the same Kool-Aid as others.
Burying your head in the sand and being easily led will not bring enlightenment. Lashing out at those with whom you disagree with is foolish.
Show facts that prove me wrong.
DaveO wrote:
Your laziness to verify or disprove my statement does not make it wrong simply because you say so. Where is your proof it is wrong? Did you bother to see how many people are actually serving in combat zones? Do a little work. There is plenty of info available if you bother to check and see what numbers you derive.. How does my statement display liberal hatred? It seems that whenever some alt-right person disagrees with someone, it automatically makes that person a lib. Yeah, I know, we have senators that are classified RINO's because they're not drinking the same Kool-Aid as others.
Burying your head in the sand and being easily led will not bring enlightenment. Lashing out at those with whom you disagree with is foolish.
Show facts that prove me wrong.
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As a retired teacher I will intervene here - If he has to show facts to prove you wrong, then you must show facts to prove you are right. Not opinions or un supported statements - verified facts with foot notes from a reliable source (that does not mean most newspapers or opinion/commentary blogs).
Ka2azman wrote:
If you read it says kids, not parents! It is a known fact some parents have more than one child ergo many times more kids than parents in the military.
It is also a known fact that there are soldiers with no kids. You can also spend a few minutes and research the number of people who fit into the category described in the OP.
Start by finding how many are actually serving in an actual combat zone. Dependent information is difficult to pin down, but you'll get the idea. Rest assured that 765,000 is a number that was pulled out of a hat and that's the gist of my remarks. To complain about media hypocrisy with greatly exaggerated statements is a bit silly.
DaveO wrote:
It is also a known fact that there are soldiers with no kids. You can also spend a few minutes and research the number of people who fit into the category described in the OP.
Start by finding how many are actually serving in an actual combat zone. Dependent information is difficult to pin down, but you'll get the idea. Rest assured that 765,000 is a number that was pulled out of a hat and that's the gist of my remarks. To complain about media hypocrisy with greatly exaggerated statements is a bit silly.
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Look here, took me 45 seconds to find and skim it - active duty military have/had aprx 765,000 dependent children as of 2012.
http://www.dodlive.mil/2012/04/05/month-of-the-military-child-saluting-our-military-childre/
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