gessman Loc: Colorado

We're in agreement on all of that and I do keep an eye on you and what all you're doing and frankly I don't see how you get around to it all and work a full schedule too. You're a busy guy and my hat's off to you. I've never been that energetic.

Ronbo Loc: Okanagan falls BC. Canada

And more.

angler Loc: StHelens England

:-(

tainkc Loc: Kansas City

You're not helping. Lol.

Erv Loc: Medina Ohio

Keep it up and you will put us on the daily Tom!:)
Erv

RiverNan Loc: Eastern Pa

goody!

Horseart Loc: Alabama

I have no business in this discussion, but I can tell you that most of my threads never get in the digest.
I have no right to say anything about all this because I just don't come here like I used to. I may look in now and then and if I see a photo I really like, I will say so, but I post my pictures on Flickr now because they don't fly off into the sunset where they will be out of sight in an hour or two.
I came here every day when I first joined... and what did I know? I thought EVERY photo here was beautiful.
I called them "stunning, gorgeous, breathtaking" and gave out a LOT of "WOWs". I meant that at the time...why wouldn't I? I love photos and this was the first photo forum I had ever looked into. I was fascinated at the beauty. Also, the fact that I was not in the same league with all of you, made me a poor critic. One person who helped quite a few of us here, in my beginning, stomped on me pretty harshly for saying some of the pictures were "GREAT" when they were actually pretty far from it. I think I was asked if I were blind in one eye or both. I've had a lot of help from another person since that time who also tells me that some of what I thought was beautiful, was indeed poor quality. LOL. I don't doubt that now! I guess, thanks to them, I have learned to see a little better and gotten so picky that I see more bad photos than good ones...MINE included in the bad ones. It seems I cannot DO what I can now SEE in the good ones..
Now, having said all of that, I never brought my pictures here for oooohs and ahhhhhs. Any time I started a thread, criticism was always welcome, but I just did it mostly to share and learn. Nothing more.
I finally decided that if they won't get in the digest and will be gone out of sight in an hour, why waste my time. I won't learn anything from posting and I could use that time painting. I am an artist (for 73 years) for my own pleasure, and as an occupation for the last 55 years. If critiqued and I see that it will help, I can at least dip my brush and change it in a flash, but with photos, you can't do that and no one will ever learn if very few people ever see their photos.
I still love to take pictures, always will ...notice I call mine "pictures", slightly better than "snapshots" I think, but not as good as "photos", so I just decided to share where they WILL be shared....without any need for a good reason.
I still come here to read some tips and tricks for making one a better photographer and I sometimes look at the gallery or the digest and will still do so now and then. I might even post a few pix and watch them fly away as usual.
This may hiss people off at me, but I didn't come here to be popular, I came because the gallery says "Show off your pics and/or ask for general critique".

Erv Loc: Medina Ohio

Hi Jo! Miss seeing you here!!! I just throw them out there and let them fly.:):) I emailed you a few times but no reply came back. I hope all is well!
Your friend, Erv :)

gessman Loc: Colorado

It's good to hear from you here. I don't know why you would say you have no business in this discussion because in my humble opinion it is valued members like you who have become disenchanted with what's going on with the Digest threads each day who need to step as you have and let their feelings be known. A small group of members who feel their images are more important than everyone else's have been flooding the Digest with multiple threads which in effect deprives many others of the ability to get a thread in the Digest so they can get some feedback on their images, as I'm sure you have gathered from reading this thread thus far. Maybe if more people would speak up and let it be known how they feel about it, it would let these "front-runners" know that their behavior isn't appreciated by the rest of us. Thanks again for your contribution and just let me say that I hope you're doing well and enjoying life however you're spending your time in lieu of the amount of time you previously spent here contributing as a valued member in uhh. :)

Dixiegirl Loc: Alabama gulf coast

You probably don't want to hear from me and will probably want to even less when I'm finished. I agree with a lot of what you've said in this thread as well as in your response to Margo in Angela's thread.

I post to the gallery infrequently and have been disappointed when my posts haven't been included in the gallery section of the digest or have been there when the digest comes out and then removed after a few hours like they were over the past weekend. And others have told me of their frustrations of having the same experiences. One excellent photographer in particular stopped posting any of his work for a period of time, because his was never in the digest which meant his posts received hardly any attention. What a shame, as this person is also an excellent teacher, and we can all benefit from seeing his work. So all that to say we do indeed have a problem, but I don't agree with your judgment of the members whose names you mentioned.

One lady in particular who was accused of posting multiple threads to assure she would have one included in the digest is fairly new and wasn't even aware there was a digest. You owe her an apology IMO. Many of the folks you mentioned are my personal friends, and I don't know of any one of them who post multiple threads for the purpose of one or two making the gallery list in the digest. I don't know how you could make that assumption anyway. How do you know a person's motives? Yes, we indeed have a problem, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree. When it all boils down to it, the problem is really not with the members of UHH.

oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA

is the digest specific to a persons interests or just day old random posts?

Dixiegirl Loc: Alabama gulf coast

Random posts.

oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA

so with most people only interested in 1 or 2 of the 24 groups and only 35 listings, the chances of seeing anything of interest in the daily digest is zilch.

It seems hardly worth the trouble to send it out.

gessman Loc: Colorado

Now, why would you think I wouldn't want to hear from you? Of course I want to hear from you and hear about how feel about this and what your thinking is. It probably won't change my mind but... I would just like to point out that my first 2 paragraph comment was a request that everyone have a look at the situation and themselves and see if there was any way they could figure out where the are in relation to what I brought up and if their conscience saw fit, make some adjustments unless there was a specific reason not to. I fully understand and expect that not everyone is going to agree with me. As I've said a few times in this, I'm not concerned about me and my threads. In the first place I'm fine where I am and if I get an urge I can't resist to post an image I like a lot I'll find me an appropriate thread from someone else and chunk my image in their thread. I have started 52 threads in 3 years about 1/4th of which were me railing at the ranters in Chit Chat. LOL. I have way more of my pics in other people's threads than I do in my own so I'm not all bound up in a know over this but people keep saying things to me about this situation and what I've said is much more for them than me.

I haven't "jumped on," "chewed out," or belittled anyone here and have admitted a couple of times that of the ones I named some I'm sure were unaware of the impact they were having on others. Some are just acting in their own interests without know or even stopping to consider that they might be stepping on other members desires in the process of doing what they are doing and then there are some who know what they're doing and don't care. To me, it is all the same if the end results are the same. Regardless of a person's ignorance, or intentional motive if they post a bunch of threads and get multiple threads selected on a given day, they have denied at least one other member an opportunity to be seen and get some feedback. It's all the same whether it's done intentionally, ignorantly, or for any other reason. It just doesn't matter.

Now, this lady everyone is in such sympathy with/over has, seemingly, told everyone who will listen to her that she "got in trouble." I don't know why she thinks that. When she first arrived she put a couple of images on and honestly, they weren't her best so I gave her a couple of tips as I do other folks when I think I have picked up a bit of knowledge that I think is appropriate to their current interests. I think she was offended and if so, it certainly wasn't intentional on my part. I thought I was helping. Since then she has posted a slew of wonderful images that are vast improvements over those first couple. Now, for anyone who has read what I've said in the last couple of days, and unless you have some bias against me, it is very clear that she has not been singled out and frankly, she has had more days when she has had several threads run than anyone else. I've been checking the numbers on this issue now for a little over a month and I have a written record of who had been getting more threads in the Digest and she is right up there at the top. Now, since I have not singled her out, been rude to her, insulted her, done anything to, toward, or about her that I have not said or done to anyone else, I will not apologize to her. I will not ever be bent over when I have committed no offense. She, like the others, needs to realize that she's not the only person who wants to see their threads on view and available for feedback and stop submitting 2, 3, 4, or 5 threads almost every day.

Rather than take the hint she went around gathering you, Photo Girl, and apparently others looking for sympathy 'cause the big ol' nasty gessman hurt her feelings and then she further responded by posting multiple threads and had two in the Digest YESTERDAY AND ONLY ONE TODAY. THAT IS A CORRECTION. Excuse me. Now, to do it out of ignorance is one thing but to come back and do it on purpose when she is no longer ignorant seems adequate to question whether or not she knew what she was doing when you folks seem to think she was ignorant. She obviously doesn't intend to respect the space of the other members and is going to continue taking their resources knowing she is. She didn't hurt me - I wasn't one of the 150+ other members who submitted a thread today only to watch their threads bounce off out into space. I'll promise you that I made a lot more friends in the last two days than I did enemies. I have a pm from one person that I'm going to reply to who was one of the ones I identified by name. I didn't "call anyone out" as I understand what that means. That term has, in my lifetime, been used when you want someone to come outside of a building they're in when you want to fight with them. I have no urge to fight anyone but I will if I have to.

A couple of those whose names I used have a huge ego, a huge narcissistic disposition and some seem pretty insecure. None of those are my problems nor are they an excuse to take away an unfair and inordinate share of something that a huge wad of people have to share and I got a little tired of seeing it done. Many people here do not know their way around and don't even know that they are being taken advantage of. Since I understand what's going on at least just a little bit, it looked to me as though I was about as good as anyone else around to try to get people to understand what thy were doing to everyone else and if they already what they were doing, try to get them to stop.

I am not going to change my mind about this other than to say that I do regret using the names but if the people weren't doing what they're doing regardless of their reason, their name wouldn't have been used. The man who had 5 threads on the digest the day I dropped this into the forum responded by going and looking at some of my threads and paid me a fine compliment after I had been quite a bit too harsh responding to him personally which I shouldn't have done but for the vast majority of the people in uhh my intentions were very honorable and I'm just not at all ashamed of anything I said or did in my first comments.

When the guilty people started attacking me and calling me names then perhaps I said some things I wouldn't ordinarily say but I gotta tell ya, I'm not very accustomed to being attacked when I'm in the right on a worthwhile issue and I will get scrappy in a heart beat. I have played a lot of highly competitive including amature boxing much earlier and I just don't take b.s. off of overly aggressive and pushy people. I'm an ol' laid back southern boy from Arkansas, the son of a Southern Baptist Preacher and I will say what I think needs to be said, not to hurt anyone's feelings but hopefully to right a social injustice and if I'm attacked when in the process of that I will indeed say some things people don't want to hear.

Now, bless you Dixiegirl and Photo Girl, if there's anyone out there who thinks someone is owed an apology, go apologize to them for presuming to come tell me what you think I ought to be doing. I state my opinion and you state yours. If you disagree with me on this issue then I am not very impresses with anything you have to say. If that insults you then perhaps you should stop and consider what your right is to presume to tell me what I ought to say and do. No offense. I'm not mad at anyone and will not get mad any anyone over this and if anyone chooses to swell up and get mad at me, have at it and have a wonderful day. :thumbup:

Please excuse any dropped letters or misspellings. I did this in a hurry and don't have time to proof read and correct any errors.

Wild Life Loc: Sunny Southern California

Hot damn, Gessman I love it! Some people just can't see the forest for the trees...