Now, why would you think I wouldn't want to hear from you? Of course I want to hear from you and hear about how feel about this and what your thinking is. It probably won't change my mind but... I would just like to point out that my first 2 paragraph comment was a request that everyone have a look at the situation and themselves and see if there was any way they could figure out where the are in relation to what I brought up and if their conscience saw fit, make some adjustments unless there was a specific reason not to. I fully understand and expect that not everyone is going to agree with me. As I've said a few times in this, I'm not concerned about me and my threads. In the first place I'm fine where I am and if I get an urge I can't resist to post an image I like a lot I'll find me an appropriate thread from someone else and chunk my image in their thread. I have started 52 threads in 3 years about 1/4th of which were me railing at the ranters in Chit Chat. LOL. I have way more of my pics in other people's threads than I do in my own so I'm not all bound up in a know over this but people keep saying things to me about this situation and what I've said is much more for them than me.

I haven't "jumped on," "chewed out," or belittled anyone here and have admitted a couple of times that of the ones I named some I'm sure were unaware of the impact they were having on others. Some are just acting in their own interests without know or even stopping to consider that they might be stepping on other members desires in the process of doing what they are doing and then there are some who know what they're doing and don't care. To me, it is all the same if the end results are the same. Regardless of a person's ignorance, or intentional motive if they post a bunch of threads and get multiple threads selected on a given day, they have denied at least one other member an opportunity to be seen and get some feedback. It's all the same whether it's done intentionally, ignorantly, or for any other reason. It just doesn't matter.

Now, this lady everyone is in such sympathy with/over has, seemingly, told everyone who will listen to her that she "got in trouble." I don't know why she thinks that. When she first arrived she put a couple of images on and honestly, they weren't her best so I gave her a couple of tips as I do other folks when I think I have picked up a bit of knowledge that I think is appropriate to their current interests. I think she was offended and if so, it certainly wasn't intentional on my part. I thought I was helping. Since then she has posted a slew of wonderful images that are vast improvements over those first couple. Now, for anyone who has read what I've said in the last couple of days, and unless you have some bias against me, it is very clear that she has not been singled out and frankly, she has had more days when she has had several threads run than anyone else. I've been checking the numbers on this issue now for a little over a month and I have a written record of who had been getting more threads in the Digest and she is right up there at the top. Now, since I have not singled her out, been rude to her, insulted her, done anything to, toward, or about her that I have not said or done to anyone else, I will not apologize to her. I will not ever be bent over when I have committed no offense. She, like the others, needs to realize that she's not the only person who wants to see their threads on view and available for feedback and stop submitting 2, 3, 4, or 5 threads almost every day.

Rather than take the hint she went around gathering you, Photo Girl, and apparently others looking for sympathy 'cause the big ol' nasty gessman hurt her feelings and then she further responded by posting multiple threads and had two in the Digest today. Now, to do it out of ignorance is one thing but to come back and do it on purpose when she is no longer ignorant seems adequate to question whether or not she knew what she was doing when you folks seem to think she was ignorant. She obviously doesn't intend to respect the space of the other members and is going to continue taking their resources knowing she is. She didn't hurt me - I wasn't one of the 150+ other members who submitted a thread today only to watch their threads bounce off out into space. I'll promise you that I made a lot more friends in the last two days than I did enemies. I have a pm from one person that I'm going to reply to who was one of the ones I identified by name. I didn't "call anyone out" as I understand what that means. That term has, in my lifetime, been used when you want someone to come outside of a building they're in when you want to fight with them. I have no urge to fight anyone but I will if I have to.

A couple of those whose names I used have a huge ego, a huge narcissistic disposition and some seem pretty insecure. None of those are my problems nor are they an excuse to take away an unfair and inordinate share of something that a huge wad of people have to share and I got a little tired of seeing it done. Many people here do not know their way around and don't even know that they are being taken advantage of. Since I understand what's going on at least just a little bit, it looked to me as though I was about as good as anyone else around to try to get people to understand what thy were doing to everyone else and if they already what they were doing, try to get them to stop.

I am not going to change my mind about this other than to say that I do regret using the names but if the people weren't doing what they're doing regardless of their reason, their name wouldn't have been used. The man who had 5 threads on the digest the day I dropped this into the forum responded by going and looking at some of my threads and paid me a fine compliment after I had been quite a bit too harsh responding to him personally which I shouldn't have done but for the vast majority of the people in uhh my intentions were very honorable and I'm just not at all ashamed of anything I said or did in my first comments.

When the guilty people started attacking me and calling me names then perhaps I said some things I wouldn't ordinarily say but I gotta tell ya, I'm not very accustomed to being attacked when I'm in the right on a worthwhile issue and I will get scrappy in a heart beat. I have played a lot of highly competitive including amature boxing much earlier and I just don't take b.s. off of overly aggressive and pushy people. I'm an ol' laid back southern boy from Arkansas, the son of a Southern Baptist Preacher and I will say what I think needs to be said, not to hurt anyone's feelings but hopefully to right a social injustice and if I'm attacked when in the process of that I will indeed say some things people don't want to hear.

Now, bless you Dixiegirl and Photo Girl, if there's anyone out there who thinks someone is owed an apology, go apologize to them for presuming to come tell me what you think I ought to be doing. I state my opinion and you state yours. If you disagree with me on this issue then I am not very impresses with anything you have to say. If that insults you then perhaps you should stop and consider what your right is to presume to tell me what I ought to say and do. No offense. I'm not mad at anyone and will not get mad any anyone over this and if anyone chooses to swell up and get mad at me, have at it and have a wonderful day. :thumbup:

Please excuse any dropped letters or misspellings. I did this in a hurry and don't have time to proof read and correct any errors.

Listen please, I do appreciate your opinion and am sorry if you feel anything I said was designed to diminish the value of your opinion. As far as blame goes, I have stated more than once that if it were my forum I would have a 1 per day thread rule but Admin does things his way and isn't often open to suggestions to change what's happening so I thought I would take it to the people who also have he ability to correct it. LOL. May be the dumbest thing I've done lately but time will tell. I don't take responsibility for the opinions or comments of those who post before or after me, I do not have a gang mentality, and I won't shoulder the blame for what comes out of other folks mouths.

I value your opinion highly and have nothing but respect for you and everyone else in uhh except a few. You've been here a long time and you've been a big asset for the forum and other people with the examples you've set. I've watched your threads and admire your work. I do recall that the first time we crossed paths there was a little friction about something but I don't remember what. I remember you well because you are a dead ringer for my favorite cousin. If you've noticed, I have largely avoided any instance for that little conflict to occur again by leaving you alone, just as it is apparent you have done likewise. I don't mind at all that you disagree with me but I insist on being extended the same privilege without rancor. Now, we can dodge each other for another 3 years if you like but I meant you no disrespect of any sort. If you feel disrespected then maybe it's a good thing I've kept my distance.

I am a little confused here.:) I post to 2 forums most of the time. How do you post to the daily digest? I did 3 or 4 post the other day and only one made it to the daily. And I had no intent on it making it there!???? And it was n't the best one or the one with the most pictures in it. I am not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. But I think there are other folks we have to ask and get them to change they ways. If that is what everyone wants, to in the daily. For one I don't really want to be there! Just saying, I think we are barking up the wrong tree.:)
Erv

Hi, I'm totally in agreement with what you've said, even tho before reading this I had no idea that this was happening as I don't submit often and haven't read the Daily Digest. I usually follow the Photo Gallery and Critique section only as I'm pretty much a novice. Unfortunately you'll be preaching to the converted, as is usually the case. If these people were thoughtful, they would give others a chance but even if they read this (your post) they probably won't realise it applies to them. As my partner says, "5% always spoil things for others and nothing will change that" but we can live in hope. Fabulous moose photos, thank you. We have the same camera but mine will never take a moose.

Hi, I'm totally in agreement with what you've said, even tho before reading this I had no idea that this was happening as I don't submit often and haven't read the Daily Digest. I usually follow the Photo Gallery and Critique section only as I'm pretty much a novice. Unfortunately you'll be preaching to the converted, as is usually the case. If these people were thoughtful, they would give others a chance but even if they read this (your post) they probably won't realise it applies to them. As my partner says, "5% always spoil things for others and nothing will change that" but we can live in hope. Fabulous moose photos, thank you. We have the same camera but mine will never take a moose.

Hey Erv. All threads that are submitted are candidates to be put in the Digest unless Admin removes them for some reason which I've never heard of happening, but there can only be 35 of those a day. All threads that do not get picked for the Digest go straight to the gallery list in the order they arrive. The ones in the Digest also go to the gallery list but they get exposure there and in the Digest and get more viewers and therefore comments. We have no control over whether our threads go into the Digest or not - it just happens. The Digest threads are not picked based on which pictures are good or by subject or any other way of putting them in some kind of order. If you submit a thread that doesn't get in the digest but instead go to the gallery list, there are some people who will see it because they go there rather than looking at the Digest. If nobody sees and comments on your thread in the gallery, it will slide onto page 2 real soon and then page 3 and unless someone sees it and comments on it, it will soon be out of sight. To ensure that your thread gets seen and commented on it is better to have it in the Digest. Some threads that go to the gallery will be seen because of a person's buddy list. Your buddies will see when you have posted a thread and go hunt it down and comment on it. If you don't have a buddy list your thread can be on page 2 and on its way to total obscurity in a matter of an hour or two on a busy day.

Most noobs don't have a buddy list. So, if you're a noob looking for some feedback and you submit a thread when several people have submitted several threads, the chance of your thread making the Digest get to be slimmer and slimmer each time another member submits multiple threads on the same day. It's possible that a noob's thread never gets a single look at it without a buddy list. I don't know what the percentages are of who does and who doesn't have a buddy list but there can be advantages to having one. I suspect a lot of members never set up a buddy list. I have never set one up so I know that there are members out there who also have no buddies to save their threads from making a fast disappearance.

The best way then for a noob with no buddy list to get into the Digest so it will be seen is to submit several threads to match up with all the older members who do that. Before long that would become such a mess it's hard to even think about. If everyone submitted only one thread then everyone who does that, regardless of buddy list or not, each person would have an equal chance of getting into the Digest. If up to 10 people all submit 4 or 5 threads their chances of getting into the Digest go way up. In fact it is very possible if you enter 5 threads that all of those 5 threads will be selected for the Digest and 4 other members threads go to the gallery and then rapidly disappear unless someone sees it and comments on it which returns it to the top of the gallery list. When someone posts 3, 4, 5, or more threads all on the same day and they all get picked for the Digest, they've ensure that there'l be another member's threads aren't going to be around long.

What it amounts to then is every time you post 5 threads on the same day, if they all get picked for the Digest you have just robbed 4 other people from having a thread in the Digest. It's that simple and it comes back to the old question of being selfish or sharing with your neighbors. Now, I know you love people and most likely would never do anything to hurt another person's chances at getting into the Digest but in fact that's what you are doing each time you submit more than one thread and all of them that you submit that day get picked for the Digest. Admin likely won't do anything about this but we members can by voluntarily not submitting multiple threads on the same day because that does block our friends from getting feedback for their threads.