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Sep 15, 2014 00:09:03   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
I recently caught this ol' guy foraging among some willows by a lake up around 10,000 ft elevation. One of my kids got me a Canon SX50 for father's day so I went out to see what I could find to shoot with it and this was all I could come up with in a few hours on Sunday afternoon.

I'd like to say something to the good folks who post often in the picture gallery. Some of us are probably unaware of how our actions are impacting other members. Several of us are posting 2, 3, 4, even 5 threads in one day, often with only one picture in each one. I would like to appeal to each of you to put all those images you want to share on a given day into one thread rather than putting one image in each thread. There are over 50,000 other members with only about 350 active at any given moment. There are an average of 150 threads submitted to display pictures each day and only 35 selected to display in the daily digest. So, if you submit 5 threads and four are selected for display, that means that there are 3 other members who didn't get their thread selected and their images viewed. On an average there are 4 to 6 people who have 2 or more threads appear in the digest. Like yesterday, there were 5 who had 2 threads selected which means there were what, roughly 120 other submissions that were not selected for display.

Those of you who are submitting and having multiple threads selected each day could stand to share the limited resources with your fellow members. In fact, if you only submitted a thread ever 3 or 4 days it would be more equitable for your fellow members, putting as many images as you desire in the threads you do submit. Think about it. It is the same few people each day and I'm sure you know who you are. Maybe if you feel your threads are so inspirational that the forum would be in trouble if you didn't get 2, 3, or 4 of your thread published in the digest each day, we could petition Admin to open a section just for those pictures the rest of us really need to see each day for our daily inspiration. I know of several good photographers in uhh who haven't been able to get a thread selected for the daily digest out of their last 4 or 5 threads they've submitted. Please think about what you are doing and see if you can't let some others have a shot at the list of daily submissions in the Daily Digest.


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Sep 15, 2014 00:16:14   #
Wild Life Loc: Sunny Southern California
 
gessman wrote:
I recently caught this ol' guy foraging among some willows by a lake up around 10,000 ft elevation. One of my kids got me a Canon SX50 for father's day so I went out to see what I could find to shoot with it and this was all I could come up with in a few hours on Sunday afternoon.

I'd like to say something to the good folks who post often in the picture gallery. Some of us are probably unaware of how our actions are impacting other members. Several of us are posting 2, 3, 4, even 5 threads in one day, often with only one picture in each one. I would like to appeal to each of you to put all those images you want to share on a given day into one thread rather than putting one image in each thread. There are over 50,000 other members with only about 350 active at any given moment. There are an average of 150 threads submitted to display pictures each day and only 35 selected to display in the daily digest. So, if you submit 5 threads and four are selected for display, that means that there are 3 other members who didn't get their thread selected and their images viewed. On an average there are 4 to 6 people who have 2 or more threads appear in the digest. Like yesterday, there were 5 who had 2 threads selected which means there were 120 other submissions that were not selected for display.

Those of you who are submitting and having multiple threads selected each day could stand to share the limited resources with your fellow members. In fact, if you only submitted a thread ever 3 or 4 days it would be more equitable for your fellow members, putting as many images as you desire in the threads you do submit. Think about it. It is the same few people each day and I'm sure you know who you are. Maybe if you feel your threads are so inspirational that the forum would be in trouble if you didn't get 2, 3, or 4 of your thread published in the digest each day, we could petition Admin to open a section just for those pictures the rest of us really need to see each day for our daily inspiration. I know of several good photographers in uhh who haven't been able to get a thread selected for the daily digest out of their last 4 or 5 threads they've submitted. Please think about what you are doing and see if you can't let some others have a shot at the list of daily submissions. If I bring this up again, I will do so using the names of the folks who are taking an unfair share of the gallery space.
I recently caught this ol' guy foraging among some... (show quote)


The last photo says it all. What a big guy!

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Sep 15, 2014 00:22:15   #
dennis2146 Loc: So California/Colorado/Idaho
 
First of all, great photographs.

Second, I was under the impression that all photos submitted were posted, they just moved through quicker if many pictures were submitted.

Dennis

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Sep 15, 2014 00:27:02   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
dennis2146 wrote:
First of all, great photographs.

Second, I was under the impression that all photos submitted were posted, they just moved through quicker if many pictures were submitted.

Dennis


Thank you for the compliment, Dennis!

As I understand it they are all put in the Gallery but they are not announced in the Daily Digest that everyone gets notified about each morning via email. I have no way of knowing what the stats are but I would venture a guess that most people use the Daily Digest to systematically go through the submitted subjects for any given day. I know a few watch the list that show up in the gallery shortly after they are submitted as you did this thread but I'm thinking that most people wait 'til the Digest comes out each morning.

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Sep 15, 2014 00:29:57   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
Wild Life wrote:
The last photo says it all. What a big guy!


Believe me, I was listening to everything he was saying, given the way he was watching me. This was a case where I wasn't using much of that 50X zoom. I was probably a little too close for both our comfort levels. :roll:

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Sep 15, 2014 00:30:51   #
dennis2146 Loc: So California/Colorado/Idaho
 
gessman wrote:
Thank you for the compliment, Dennis!

As I understand it they are all put in the Gallery but they are not announced in the Daily Digest that everyone gets notified about each morning via email. I have no way of knowing what the stats are but I would venture a guess that most people use the Daily Digest to systematically go through the submitted subjects for any given day. I know a few watch the list that show up in the gallery shortly after they are submitted as you did this thread but I'm thinking that most people wait 'til the Digest comes out each morning.
Thank you for the compliment, Dennis! br br As ... (show quote)


I have no life so check often.

Dennis

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Sep 15, 2014 01:18:23   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I have no life so check often.

Dennis


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Sep 15, 2014 01:33:54   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I have no life so check often.

Dennis


i have a busy life and rarely spend more than 14 hours a day looking at UHH postings.

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Sep 15, 2014 02:32:26   #
GWR100 Loc: England
 
Magnificent creature, lovely set,

Geoff

[quote=gessman]I recently caught this ol' guy foraging among some willows by a lake up around 10,000 ft elevation. One of my kids got me a Canon SX50 for father's day so I went out to see what I could find to shoot with it and this was all I could come up with in a few hours on Sunday afternoon.

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Sep 15, 2014 09:21:54   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
oldtigger wrote:
i have a busy life and rarely spend more than 14 hours a day looking at UHH postings.


It gets pretty hectic back east there, does it? :XD:

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Sep 15, 2014 10:51:23   #
dennis2146 Loc: So California/Colorado/Idaho
 
gessman wrote:
Thank you for the compliment, Dennis!

As I understand it they are all put in the Gallery but they are not announced in the Daily Digest that everyone gets notified about each morning via email. I have no way of knowing what the stats are but I would venture a guess that most people use the Daily Digest to systematically go through the submitted subjects for any given day. I know a few watch the list that show up in the gallery shortly after they are submitted as you did this thread but I'm thinking that most people wait 'til the Digest comes out each morning.
Thank you for the compliment, Dennis! br br As ... (show quote)


I realize that each topic of the forum has a moderator; maybe that is not true. But is there anybody who will read this and give us a definite feedback as to how the UHH system works. Somebody must be in charge and would know.

Dennis

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Sep 15, 2014 12:00:15   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I realize that each topic of the forum has a moderator; maybe that is not true. But is there anybody who will read this and give us a definite feedback as to how the UHH system works. Somebody must be in charge and would know.

Dennis


Well, as you can see, this thread didn't make it into today's Daily Digest and what happens to a thread that doesn't make the list there fast dies off into oblivion as this one did overnight last night. I went to bed at 2:00 mountain time and because I replied to you late this thread got pumped back up to the top of the gallery list as all threads do but by 7:00 this morning it had slipped on to page 5 of this gallery list. With about 30 threads listed in the gallery list, by this thread dropping to page 5 by this morning indicates that around 150 comments on other threads were made between 2:00 am and 7:00 am, my time - mountain time. When I replied to "old tigger" this morning it moved back up to the top of page 1. It was sliding fast until you posted this and that put it back up on top of the list of topics with the latest activity. My thread has had 156 views and 11 comments and dropped to page 5.

Occasionally, a topic will be submitted and won't make the next day's Daily Digest but will be held over until the second day after it was submitted but that isn't the norm. The norm is that if your thread doesn't make the next day's Daily Digest it starts to drop to a lower page with every 30 times someone posts on another thread. It appears that Admin randomly picks the threads that will be shown in the Daily Digest based mostly on the order they are received so the people from the UK are usually up top in the first few spots since they are 5 to 6 hours ahead of those on the east coast of the U. S. Then it starts to appear to be more random after that with people on the east coast who get up earlier than the rest of us in the U. S. get posted. Admin, perhaps with the aid of some moderators, moves some threads around that are inappropriately submitted in the wrong classification and can decide which threads will die a fast death or not. This being a privately owned forum, admin retains all rights to do what he chooses without regard for any other commitment. Obviously Admin wasn't impressed with this submission and without further comment it will be on page 10 in two days and the people who work off of the Daily Digest will never see this thread and people like you who work off of the gallery list rather than the Daily Digest won't be seeing it again so my request to those people I tried to reach will rapidly dissipate into thin air.

While I don't think it is the case, Admin's only motivation I can think of would be to conserve on server storage space by favoring submissions with only one image that has to be stored and hence my suggestion to all those who submit 2, 3, 4, or 5 threads every day with just one image may be receiving preferential treatment in the thread selection for the Daily Digest. Admin does monitor many of the submissions and I expect to hear from him on this one. We've talked before. LOL. I don't think anything I've tried to do here will change any current practices so I will use another approach to suggesting to those people who are a little more prolific than needed to see if they can't moderate the number of threads they submit, even though it is clearly not my role. I just want to say that while this is not a "sour grapes" thread 4 of my last 5 submissions have not made the Daily Digest and I know other long time members who haven't been able to get a thread in the digest either. We've all had our share of threads posted since joining up but now and then when we submit one a month or so, we would still like to see it make the digest list.

It's just ridiculous when Bob Yankle, Sylvias, jwt, Angela K, Regis, Ronbo, Erv, RE, Joer, Linda from Maine, Basquelady, tainkc, Dook, Colo43, Rob48, Travasty, Fvs (although not right lately) and several others to a lessor degree, all of whom normally get at least one thread a day in the Digest and some days get 2, 3, even 4 threads in the digest on a given day while each day 130 to 170 other members can't get one a month there. Admin likes to keep hands off so unless this is brought out into the open, it most likely won't come to his attention. I hate to be the one who brings it up but it does seem as though it is time to do something about it. If it's not dealt with it will only get worse. One guy yesterday submitted five threads day before yesterday and didn't get a single one of them in yesterday's Digest while another guy who regularly submits up to five a day has had 9 in the Digest in the past 5 days, most all with only one image in each thread. I will say that it is hard to get an exact fix on the number of submissions for each day that do and do not make the Digest because some submitted early on the 12th made it into the digest for the 12th and some rolled over to the 13th and may have even made it into the 14th but I didn't check for the 14th to see when all the threads were submitted. It was not my intent to get Admin to alter his practices but simply to reach the members who are going overboard in their submissions and depriving all the other members from ever getting a shot at having some decent feedback for their shots which can bolster people's sagging impression of their own efforts. It doesn't hurt to get a little encouragement now and then especially for beginners and not so necessary for others who have had lots of years of doing this - like me. It doesn't bother me to not make the Digest but it does bother a lot of other, lesser experienced people.

Using today as an example, jwt had 5 threads selected for display in the Daily Digest, five from one person while at least 150 other members got none.

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Sep 15, 2014 13:23:05   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
[quote=GWR100]Magnificent creature, lovely set,

Geoff

gessman wrote:
I recently caught this ol' guy foraging among some willows by a lake up around 10,000 ft elevation. One of my kids got me a Canon SX50 for father's day so I went out to see what I could find to shoot with it and this was all I could come up with in a few hours on Sunday afternoon.


Thanks Geoff. I appreciate the comment.

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Sep 15, 2014 14:42:54   #
vicksart Loc: Novato, CA -earthquake country
 
I really love your shots and am a bit envious that you have access to these sightings.

What you've explained about how the forum works makes sense. When I first joined, I had trouble finding my threads and couldn't figure out whether they weren't close to the first page because others in earlier time zones beat me to it. I tried posting really late in the evening or very early morning. It didn't matter.

I've now got a list of people I like to follow. It saves time but unfortunately excludes most of the other postings. On days when I have more time, I go to Gallery and usually make it through the first page, sometimes also the second. Rarely do I have time to look at more or even other sections. That's the problem with not having enough time.

We need a good mix of professionals (or very advanced amateurs) to give feedback to those of us who are trying to learn. It might be nice to have a beginners' thread, but the pros might not visit and offer feedback. Maybe that is that is the intent of Photo Analysis anyway, but I'm not sure the right (credible) feedback is being given to those who really need it.

I don't know what the answer is. I see your point about limiting submissions based on a common courtesy approach. Having admin. limit them would be a daunting task on one level and rather unfair as well.

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Sep 15, 2014 17:44:33   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
vicksart wrote:
I really love your shots and am a bit envious that you have access to these sightings.

What you've explained about how the forum works makes sense. When I first joined, I had trouble finding my threads and couldn't figure out whether they weren't close to the first page because others in earlier time zones beat me to it. I tried posting really late in the evening or very early morning. It didn't matter.


Thank you but please don't allow your self to be envious. I don't get that many opportunities like that. CO turned loose a few breeding pairs of moose in the early 1990's and there are about 1700 known to exist now so it is pretty rare to stumble onto the opportunity. There are a couple of places where they seem to hang out in greater numbers than elsewhere so it isn't a total crapshoot.

vicksart wrote:
I've now got a list of people I like to follow. It saves time but unfortunately excludes most of the other postings. On days when I have more time, I go to Gallery and usually make it through the first page, sometimes also the second. Rarely do I have time to look at more or even other sections. That's the problem with not having enough time.

We need a good mix of professionals (or very advanced amateurs) to give feedback to those of us who are trying to learn. It might be nice to have a beginners' thread, but the pros might not visit and offer feedback. Maybe that is that is the intent of Photo Analysis anyway, but I'm not sure the right (credible) feedback is being given to those who really need it.

I don't know what the answer is. I see your point about limiting submissions based on a common courtesy approach. Having admin. limit them would be a daunting task on one level and rather unfair as well.
I've now got a list of people I like to follow. It... (show quote)


Thank you for the reply. I've been agonizing about this for some time and hesitant to say anything about it but it seemed as though the time had come. I really don't lay claim to totally understanding how uhh works but I feel like the intent wasn't to allow about 30 people an opportunity to totally absorb all the benefit from what's available in uhh when it comes to feedback and unless things have changed, Admin doesn't like to micromanage uhh so I thought I would suggest a little more sharing attitude from a few folks in hopes that some of the lessor experienced members could get some feedback. There are about 40 to 50 members daily taking turns at accessing the 35 allocated slots for threads to be published in the Daily Digest each day. If just those folks would only submit one thread each it would at least allow some other people a chance to get in and get some feedback.

I would have preferred that my moose shots got displayed but am not the slightest upset that they didn't. You and one other response is all I've had up to now about this and the other one was a bit testy but perhaps that person will give it some thought and realize what I'm saying here and do something about it so others can have a shot now and then to share the limited resources. I appreciate you viewing what I've said in a positive way and thank you again for your response on behalf of the other lessor experienced members. You really have stepped up your game a lot.

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