Gabe Saurez is a leading expert on police tactics and use of force. His predictions in other matters, including the Trayvon Martin matter, were very accurate.

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St. Louis: Having "Been - There - Done - That"
Posted by Gabe Suarez at 05:20:00 AM in GABE SUAREZ ARTICLES, OPEN SOURCES
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First, you have a "community" that wants to separate itself from the rest of the nation, yet considers anyone separating them from anything as racist. Their leaders promote the attitude that they are all owed something and that the successful of any race have been keeping them from being successful as well.

Without Sharpton and Jackson and the rest of the "You Owe Me Something" peddlers, Michael Brown would have had just as many opportunities for success as anyone else, and may have been a Med Student or a CEO. But the "mentality" made him a thug. Disagree, but do it from an educated point of view, and not an emotional one.

Second, you have a group of men and women (of all colors incidentally) that are tasked with enforcing the law. Their job is not to wipe the ass of society, nor to take care of its kids. It is simple and clear. Enforce the law.

So you have a replay of the Rodney King events of so long ago. A big muscular Altadena Bloc Crip Gang Member named Rodney King with an arrest record of distinction that wanted to draw some physically weak, and marginally trained CHP girl into a wrestling match, saved by the LAPD using force to do their jobs...enforce the laws.

ImagesKoon, Powell, Briseno, and Wind did just that with the restrictive tools they were given, and then later sacrificed for political expediency.

Me?

I would have choked bigger, stronger, younger, Rodney King's into vegetative, catatonic, defecative unconsciousness.

None of that was available to those guys, according to policy of their agency.

There was rioting, burning, looting, shooting, etc. A fine time. And to stop the violence of the mob, even Bush The First flew into Santa Monica Airport to be the Urban Renewal President. In the end, what are a few cops when compared to the support of the disenfranchised? Briseno was the only one to escape by turning on his own brothers.

To this day, betraying your team is called, "Pulling a Briseno".

StlouisWhat I gather from the St. Louis deal. You had a police officer get a radio call and he went to it. He had a pretty good idea of what and who he was going to find.

Had he taken his time, gotten there late, let the bad guy get away, been sympatheic, and written a kick-ass report, nothing would have happened to him and he would be at home now making love to his girl, rather than wondering what the rest of his life will be like.

But foolishly, the officer was dutiful in his task.

Now picture big, strong Michael Brown coming at you like he did the poor store clerk.

Are you a powerlifter? Are you an MMA guy? Have you spent your life fighting?

No? OK…what is your plan?
Are you going to reason with him?
Are you going to council him?

You have about two seconds before he is on top of you and good heavens, you know what will happen if he knocks you out and takes your gun. I see only one resolution to being rushed by a younger, stronger, bigger bad guy, excluding special skills being present. Had Michael Brown been an Aryan Brotherhood Viking type we would likely never have heard of it at all.

But he wasn’t, so the circus begins. The mob begins its craziness…just like in L.A., and just like in ancient Rome. You have Ron Johnson (I wonder if he has any political aspirations?), whose speech is filled with all manner of double-speak and innuendo.

Couple those circumstances with a racially motivated, or racist Chief (like I worked for at one time) who would sacrifice his own officers like a devil worshipper on Halloween in Haiti – and the mob will get its desires - the officer's head on a pike.

I will make a prediction – in this order.

The Grand Jury will find the officer “Innocent Of Any Wrong Doing”.
The mob will not accept it and riot again.
Obama will step in, demanding another hearing.
No justice – no peace...as it were.
There will be another hearing where the officer is found guilty (wink-wink-nod-nod)

And all will live happily ever after.

Some do, some don't....Depends on what is available. Trouble with Tasers is that they are not always effective....They won't go through some clothing.....additionally, they should not be deployed if a subject is armed with a gun or even a knife. Tasers require a closer than safety would dictate, confrontation. For Instance, training and research shows that a subject with an edged weapon (Knife or sharp objects) can attack an officer and kill him/her if they are permitted to close the gap to less than 21 feet, before an officer can even raise an unholstered weapon and fire it in self-defense. At 21 feet or more most tasers would not be effective. Also, shooting a gun out of the hand of a threat is not viable in most instances. I've seen video of snipers shooting a gun from the hand of a gunman but that is a rare event and rarely presents itself. In all the police shootings that I have been present for, the incidents took place in such a hasty manner that there was no time to think of alternatives to shooting the perp. Last shootout I was involved in, myself and the bad guy shot at each other three different times and in every case we were less that five feet from each other. I won that one and hit him...but I was just plain lucky. I had a new born baby at home and that shooting made me do a lot of reflection on my career choices each time I held him.

This is irritating. I just sent a reply to your post from my tablet but apparently I don't know how yet to use it as it is not showing up anywhere. GRRR and Grumble.

First off, congratulations on your win. We both know there is no second place winner in a gunfight. Better you than the other guy.

When I was a cop we didn't have Tasers as they weren't invented yet. I do recall one of our reserve deputies who was very intelligent about such electrical matters and if I remember correctly he had something to do with the invention of the Taser. I need to look that up when I get a free minute.

I did use the stun guns in a prison setting and it is amazing that on television and the movies a person will be stunned and will instantly be rendered unconscious. Of course in real life such is not the case. I have seen inmates take the full 15 second charge and some were still struggling. Our stun guns were set to automatically shut off at 15 seconds. Another press on the button would start another 15 seconds. On slow nights fellow staff members and I would see who could hold the stun gun up to our arms or legs. Nobody was rendered unconscious, ever. I did OK but not as well as others.

I am fully aware of the 21 second rule with knife attacks having taught it a few times. Most civilians I have told about it refuse to believe it. I gave a neighbor who was pretty good with a handgun and, after making sure it was unloaded, I rushed him from 30 feet. If I had carried a knife he never would have had a chance. I also remember a case in Southern California where an armed security officer on a beach was walking around and heard shouting. It seems a crazy man with a knife was coming down the beach toward him. The man had already cut somebody else. Beach goers were yelling at the security guard to be careful and then to shoot the guy. The guard apparently decided his revolver was not needed as he was going to talk the crazy down. Of course you have guessed the crazy ran up to the guard and stabbed him. Before he died the crazy had literally gutted him right there on the beach. A real cop then showed up and showing good sense, shot and killed the knife wielder.

As a cop I was taught that when and if you ever have to shoot someone in the line of duty, you will know in your heart whether it is a good shooting or not. Monday morning quarterbacks can take forever to what if this or what if that but they weren't there. It wasn't THEIR life on the line. It was yours.

Dennis

Last weekend while all the hell was raised over the shooting of Brown 9 were killed and 26 injured in Chicago.
Why is Holder going to Ferguson not Chicago.
Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that ALL of those shootings were done by blacks would it. :roll:

Missouri democrat governor said on tv he wants to see a quick prosecution. He has already convicted the officer in his mind.
I look for the politician's to do what ever it takes to calm down the people who are always looking for an excuse to riot and loot.

If Holder went to Chicago he would actually have to do something besides party with Rahm Emmanual. He has no intention of actually doing anything.

Federal crime must be really down if Eric Holder can personally visit Ferguson, MO when he has a number of deputy Attorney Generals he could send in his place. Also, apparently 40 FBI agents have nothing to do so they are assigned to investigate one supposed race issue in Ferguson. I think the last time 40 agents were on one investigation was when they were after John Dillinger. Maybe today's FBI agent doesn't hold a candle to Efrem Zimbalist Jr. and they need more of them.

Dennis

Try to get a grip today. I am not half cocked and know exactly what I am talking about. I know the difference between state and federal crimes. I also think Holder is as much a race baiter as Obama and while he will SAY words to indicate he is neutral we all know he is not. He will take every opportunity to put the white cop down and raise the status of Michael Brown. You won't believe that but you are free to believe what you want. That is why we are different. Just remember my opinion, in the grand scheme of things, is just as valid as your opinion.

Dennis