Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

Gabe Saurez is a leading expert on police tactics and use of force. His predictions in other matters, including the Trayvon Martin matter, were very accurate.

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St. Louis: Having "Been - There - Done - That"
Posted by Gabe Suarez at 05:20:00 AM in GABE SUAREZ ARTICLES, OPEN SOURCES
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First, you have a "community" that wants to separate itself from the rest of the nation, yet considers anyone separating them from anything as racist. Their leaders promote the attitude that they are all owed something and that the successful of any race have been keeping them from being successful as well.

Without Sharpton and Jackson and the rest of the "You Owe Me Something" peddlers, Michael Brown would have had just as many opportunities for success as anyone else, and may have been a Med Student or a CEO. But the "mentality" made him a thug. Disagree, but do it from an educated point of view, and not an emotional one.

Second, you have a group of men and women (of all colors incidentally) that are tasked with enforcing the law. Their job is not to wipe the ass of society, nor to take care of its kids. It is simple and clear. Enforce the law.

So you have a replay of the Rodney King events of so long ago. A big muscular Altadena Bloc Crip Gang Member named Rodney King with an arrest record of distinction that wanted to draw some physically weak, and marginally trained CHP girl into a wrestling match, saved by the LAPD using force to do their jobs...enforce the laws.

ImagesKoon, Powell, Briseno, and Wind did just that with the restrictive tools they were given, and then later sacrificed for political expediency.

Me?

I would have choked bigger, stronger, younger, Rodney King's into vegetative, catatonic, defecative unconsciousness.

None of that was available to those guys, according to policy of their agency.

There was rioting, burning, looting, shooting, etc. A fine time. And to stop the violence of the mob, even Bush The First flew into Santa Monica Airport to be the Urban Renewal President. In the end, what are a few cops when compared to the support of the disenfranchised? Briseno was the only one to escape by turning on his own brothers.

To this day, betraying your team is called, "Pulling a Briseno".

StlouisWhat I gather from the St. Louis deal. You had a police officer get a radio call and he went to it. He had a pretty good idea of what and who he was going to find.

Had he taken his time, gotten there late, let the bad guy get away, been sympatheic, and written a kick-ass report, nothing would have happened to him and he would be at home now making love to his girl, rather than wondering what the rest of his life will be like.

But foolishly, the officer was dutiful in his task.

Now picture big, strong Michael Brown coming at you like he did the poor store clerk.

Are you a powerlifter? Are you an MMA guy? Have you spent your life fighting?

No? OK…what is your plan?
Are you going to reason with him?
Are you going to council him?

You have about two seconds before he is on top of you and good heavens, you know what will happen if he knocks you out and takes your gun. I see only one resolution to being rushed by a younger, stronger, bigger bad guy, excluding special skills being present. Had Michael Brown been an Aryan Brotherhood Viking type we would likely never have heard of it at all.

But he wasn’t, so the circus begins. The mob begins its craziness…just like in L.A., and just like in ancient Rome. You have Ron Johnson (I wonder if he has any political aspirations?), whose speech is filled with all manner of double-speak and innuendo.

Couple those circumstances with a racially motivated, or racist Chief (like I worked for at one time) who would sacrifice his own officers like a devil worshipper on Halloween in Haiti – and the mob will get its desires - the officer's head on a pike.

I will make a prediction – in this order.

The Grand Jury will find the officer “Innocent Of Any Wrong Doing”.
The mob will not accept it and riot again.
Obama will step in, demanding another hearing.
No justice – no peace...as it were.
There will be another hearing where the officer is found guilty (wink-wink-nod-nod)

And all will live happily ever after.

zonedoc

According to his report, the cop told the victim to get the f**k on the sidewalk. Since the victim didn't comply with this order the cop drew his gun and shot him. Is this a legitimate use of deadly force? Was the "get the f**k on the sidewalk a reasonable police "request"? The cigar robbery did not figure in this incident untill the Chief of Police produced several days after the shooting.

tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio

yes and yes

Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world

The cigar robbery does figure in this incident. It shows clearly that this is a person who would assault any one including a police officer. It will certainly be permitted in court and should be part of the disclosure to the mob demanding the officers name.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

You should have read a little more before making that statement. You are very wrong , yes the officer is reported to have said Get the F**K off the street, by Browns accomplice. This accomplice has already been shown to be Lying. The drawing down and shooting is a total misquote of any thing I have read. Study more before making broad and dangerous assumptions.

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

It does not figure into the incident, because the victim is suspected of being the thief.
The police officer did NOT suspect the victim of being connected to the theft.

Unfortunately, we will never know what happened, because of conflicting "eyewitness" reports, and the lack of a vital piece of police gear; a dashcam.
While the police have all the latest military gear, they made a deliberate choice to NOT get dashcams. In this day and age, arming your police officers as though they are going into combat without having any means to actually monitor their use of that combat gear is just wrong.

Please, do not construe what I'm saying here to mean that I think the rioting is justified; I don't. There will always be a segment of the public willing to use any justification for wilding.
For myself, I blame that on a lack of adult male presence on far too many homes.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

[quote=Big Bill
Unfortunately, we will never know what happened, because of conflicting "eyewitness" reports, and the lack of a vital piece of police gear; a dashcam. ...the police...made a deliberate choice to NOT get dashcams.[/quote]

We already know from forensic evidence and the autopsy that Brown was facing the officer and almost certainly advancing on the officer. (What would you do if a 6'4" 300 lb thug was in the process of attacking you?)

As to the dashcom, the financially strapped Ferguson PD had acquired dashcams but sadly, had not yet installed them. The statement above about "deliberate choice" is simply a defamatory falsehood.

Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ

We now know all six hits were from the front.
Did Brown have his hands up? We will probably never know, although, from what I've seen, a good forensic autopsy can show what position the arms were in from the bullet paths.

According the CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/us/ferguson-dashcams/) the Fer4guson police department purchased two dash cams, and two body cams, but installed none. They were purchased in the spring, but lack of money has kept them from being installed.
I realize that money is always an issue, but the FPD has military equipment, and 2 dash cams, and 2 body cams, none installed.
IMO, there's a problem here; a militarization of the PD, with no oversight.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

Sometimes autopsy and forensic analysis can show whether hands were up or down when bullet(s) struck. Might be moot, though, if he was advancing on/attacking the officer, his hands would likely be up in any case.

The military type equipment and armored vehicles, etc., is generally supplied free by the feds, does not come out of budget of local police departments. Sad that dash cams and body cams were not in place; it would have resolved many questions quickly and possibly, just possibly, prevented the rioting.

Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world

We all have seen the video of the thug in the store. To say they are not connected is ridiculous. It is without a shred of doubt the same thug. That is the connection not what you think the police officer may have or may not have been thinking.
The wounds in the body will proof the direction the thug faced when being hit.
There are a lot of racist motivations here and it is all directed at the police officer doing his job and because he is white.
The blacks are the racists and it has to stop before it really gets out of hand.

Charlie Manson must be laughing his ass of when he is watching this.

djenrette Loc: Philadelphia

So many people commenting who think they know something when they were not even there. How happy you must be!

imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis

The first part of your Venom states simply that the cop drew his gun and shot him...because he didn't comply with a lawful order to get on the sidewalk? That is not what happened...what happened is Michael Brown body slammed the cop as he was trying to exit the car and then tried to get his gun in a struggle. That alone justifies Lethal Force...by law. As for the Cigar Robbery not factoring into the incident that is simply put, BS. Even if the cop did not know that Michael Brown was involved, Michael Brown knew, and his mindset would dictate his actions..like not wanting to get arrested, and go to jail. Recent video has people on the scene saying Michael Brown was charging the officer when he was shot.....Sad, but Michael Brown got himself shot by trying to do harm to the police officer and possibly kill the officer.

imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis

The first part of your Venom states simply that the cop drew his gun and shot him...because he didn't comply with a lawful order to get on the sidewalk? That is not what happened...what happened is Michael Brown body slammed the cop as he was trying to exit the car and then tried to get his gun in a struggle. That alone justifies Lethal Force...by law. As for the Cigar Robbery not factoring into the incident that is simply put, BS. Even if the cop did not know that Michael Brown was involved, Michael Brown knew, and his mindset would dictate his actions..like not wanting to get arrested, and go to jail. Recent video has people on the scene saying Michael Brown was charging the officer when he was shot.....Sad, but Michael Brown got himself shot by trying to do harm to the police officer and possibly kill the officer.

Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world

Also, the local police force may not have had cameras but they sure have car radios. Therefore it is most likely that the officer heard the call on his police radio about the shop holdup.
How can any reasonable person say what the cop was thinking at the time? Other than the cop.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

I think you are forgetting the part about Michael Brown attacking the officer as he was getting out of his vehicle. Your version sounds a little like outright murder which it certainly isn't.

One of the witnesses to the incident seems to be the same man who was with Michael Brown in the store. I am not saying he was lying but to offer a different version of the incident seems has the likelihood of helping HIM in the end.

I don't know the size of the officer but I am about 5-7. When I was a street cop if someone the size of Michael Brown was to rush me after already having punched me as I got out of my vehicle I guarantee I would do exactly as the officer did. I would have shot to stop his attack. Try to remember police officers are not paid enough to get beaten up by anybody, criminal or not. Officers have as much right to go home to their family without gunshot/stab wounds, bumps and bruises as the rest of the population. People sometimes tend to think police are supposed to just accept abuse. Not so.

Dennis