I'll tell you a story..I'm sure will draw some negative comments, but I offer no apologies for it, and will not EVER! One night, around 2:30 AM, I stopped a car for speeding on a remote highway. The driver was 6"7" and about 375 pounds. When I ran a check of him via the radio the dispatcher tole me that he was on parole for Murder, and that he possibly had an active warrant for a traffic violation in another jurisdiction. I told her to verify that the warrant was still active...which takes a short while...and waited to hear from her before I locked the guy up. I could tell by his fidgeting he was getting nervous, so I walked up the side of his car. Now remember, I am out there all alone, miles from any backup. I walked up to the car and said to him...."Do you have some tickets you did not pay?" His response was, "Yes, probably." I said then, "I see you are on probation for Murder." His response was, "Yes I am, do you have to notify my probation officer?" My response was this..."I will work with you on that, but I want to be upfront with you. I am too small to fight you and if you even consider trying to assault me I will shoot you and write a report that justifies my actions. Do you understand?" He looked me right in the eye and said, "Officer I will give you NO trouble at all." Turned out the warrant was active and I took him to the Police station and booked him for it and all was peaceful....But, I enjoyed going home and curling up with my lovely wife too much to risk loosing it all and I made my point to hopefully bypass having to fight for my life that night. I did what I had to do...Period! The guy was so big that I had to use two sets of handcuffs on him to be able to cuff him. It turned out that the original murder charge was from a fight he was in where he was struck by a man wanting to fight him. He hit the guy one time, the guy fell to the floor and died from a head injury.

There are procedures one can employ to evade more drastic, possibly tragic circumstances. I was having a beer with a friend about the same age as I am, early sixties at the time, in a logger bar in Buckley WA where I once lived. We were minding our own business but I noticed four guys in their twenties at the pool table and as usual there is always one who needs to demonstrate he can drink more beer than his buddies leading to, at this point, moderate inebriation and loud profane language. The bar maid was getting nervous and there were other ladies in the bar so my friend walked over to ask him and his friends to tone down the language. His friends were willing to capitulate but the drunk said something back but my friend came back to the bar and sat down next to me. Well, as would be expected the drunk got drunker and my friends admonishment was grating in his craw to the point he came over and said he would like to beat the s__t out of him. My friend said he would oblige but not inside so let's take it out in the alley. The guy agreed and then my friend did something I caulk up to a stroke of genius. He then said to the twenty something guy, and I am paraphrasing, "there is something I want you to think about first", the guy said "ya, whats that?" "If we go out there and I kick your ass, you get to come back in here, if you can, and explain to your friends how some sixty year old man just kicked your ass. On the other hand, if we go out there and you kick my ass, you get to come back in here and brag to your fiends how you just kicked some old man's ass" at which time the guy said, "oh just forget it"!

The intent to kill is rarely on the forefront of a shooting....It is to stop the threat....Often that leads to a death, but not always. Television has perpetuated the "Shoot to wound myth." If you pull that trigger, you had better believe you had justification to kill the person you are shooting at. As of right now, we do not know which wounds were taken first....I have also seen people keep coming, even after sustaining fatal wounds. There is no normal reaction in these instances....circumstances change, people are different and react differently. I know a police officer that took a round through his eye and survived it....I've also studied cases where a wound was clearly survivable and the officer died from it....case in point is one LA Cop that got shot in the forearm and died at the scene.

It is entirely possible for a Man to continue being aggressive after being shot .
I know from a lot of experience that the will to survive kicks in when the body is subjected to severe injury. Adrenalin flows and pain does not become evident until one has calmed down a little. I remember when a 1500 lb piece of metal fell on my friend and myself, pinning my friend and crushing my foot. I was able to free him, and coordinate emergency response with but a numb feeling from right foot, after paramedics arrived and I calmed down the Adrenalin wore off and immediate pain followed.

Gabe Saurez is a leading expert on police tactics and use of force. His predictions in other matters, including the Trayvon Martin matter, were very accurate.

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St. Louis: Having "Been - There - Done - That"
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First, you have a "community" that wants to separate itself from the rest of the nation, yet considers anyone separating them from anything as racist. Their leaders promote the attitude that they are all owed something and that the successful of any race have been keeping them from being successful as well.

Without Sharpton and Jackson and the rest of the "You Owe Me Something" peddlers, Michael Brown would have had just as many opportunities for success as anyone else, and may have been a Med Student or a CEO. But the "mentality" made him a thug. Disagree, but do it from an educated point of view, and not an emotional one.

Second, you have a group of men and women (of all colors incidentally) that are tasked with enforcing the law. Their job is not to wipe the ass of society, nor to take care of its kids. It is simple and clear. Enforce the law.

So you have a replay of the Rodney King events of so long ago. A big muscular Altadena Bloc Crip Gang Member named Rodney King with an arrest record of distinction that wanted to draw some physically weak, and marginally trained CHP girl into a wrestling match, saved by the LAPD using force to do their jobs...enforce the laws.

ImagesKoon, Powell, Briseno, and Wind did just that with the restrictive tools they were given, and then later sacrificed for political expediency.

Me?

I would have choked bigger, stronger, younger, Rodney King's into vegetative, catatonic, defecative unconsciousness.

None of that was available to those guys, according to policy of their agency.

There was rioting, burning, looting, shooting, etc. A fine time. And to stop the violence of the mob, even Bush The First flew into Santa Monica Airport to be the Urban Renewal President. In the end, what are a few cops when compared to the support of the disenfranchised? Briseno was the only one to escape by turning on his own brothers.

To this day, betraying your team is called, "Pulling a Briseno".

StlouisWhat I gather from the St. Louis deal. You had a police officer get a radio call and he went to it. He had a pretty good idea of what and who he was going to find.

Had he taken his time, gotten there late, let the bad guy get away, been sympatheic, and written a kick-ass report, nothing would have happened to him and he would be at home now making love to his girl, rather than wondering what the rest of his life will be like.

But foolishly, the officer was dutiful in his task.

Now picture big, strong Michael Brown coming at you like he did the poor store clerk.

Are you a powerlifter? Are you an MMA guy? Have you spent your life fighting?

No? OK…what is your plan?
Are you going to reason with him?
Are you going to council him?

You have about two seconds before he is on top of you and good heavens, you know what will happen if he knocks you out and takes your gun. I see only one resolution to being rushed by a younger, stronger, bigger bad guy, excluding special skills being present. Had Michael Brown been an Aryan Brotherhood Viking type we would likely never have heard of it at all.

But he wasn’t, so the circus begins. The mob begins its craziness…just like in L.A., and just like in ancient Rome. You have Ron Johnson (I wonder if he has any political aspirations?), whose speech is filled with all manner of double-speak and innuendo.

Couple those circumstances with a racially motivated, or racist Chief (like I worked for at one time) who would sacrifice his own officers like a devil worshipper on Halloween in Haiti – and the mob will get its desires - the officer's head on a pike.

I will make a prediction – in this order.

The Grand Jury will find the officer “Innocent Of Any Wrong Doing”.
The mob will not accept it and riot again.
Obama will step in, demanding another hearing.
No justice – no peace...as it were.
There will be another hearing where the officer is found guilty (wink-wink-nod-nod)

And all will live happily ever after.

The first part of your Venom states simply that the cop drew his gun and shot him...because he didn't comply with a lawful order to get on the sidewalk? That is not what happened...what happened is Michael Brown body slammed the cop as he was trying to exit the car and then tried to get his gun in a struggle. That alone justifies Lethal Force...by law. As for the Cigar Robbery not factoring into the incident that is simply put, BS. Even if the cop did not know that Michael Brown was involved, Michael Brown knew, and his mindset would dictate his actions..like not wanting to get arrested, and go to jail. Recent video has people on the scene saying Michael Brown was charging the officer when he was shot.....Sad, but Michael Brown got himself shot by trying to do harm to the police officer and possibly kill the officer.

That is what I have heard too. I also heard the Grand Jury is being pushed up, maybe today or tomorrow. Sounds strange when all the evidence is not yet in nor has the police department apparently concluded with their shooting review board. Of course there are a number of people pissed off at the officer so he may end up totally innocent (I am happy to wait until all evidence is in on that) but still be guilty due to pressure on the Obama administration to placate Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the people of Ferguson.

I sincerely hope justice is done but not trumped up justice for the politically correct.

Dennis

The talk locally is that a Grand Jury will be convened tomorrow. That process could take several weeks to reach a conclusion and the Protestors have NO patience and think the process should be completed in a day or two. The Grand Jury has subpoena powers and there isn't anything hasty about that. Investigations take time to be conducted thoroughly and completely and the public has no comprehension of that when they are angry or want to stir things up. I do not see, sadly, any way the officer can get a fair trial if it comes to that and even if he does the Justice Department is going to get involved in their politically motivated ways. To add to the tension, St Louis City Police in the District I used to work in, shot and killed a man this morning after he advanced on them with a knife, and got within four feet of them when two officers shot him. By all accounts from eyewitnesses it was a good shoot and the officers had no choice. He was reportedly yelling as he advanced, "Shot me! Shoot me now!" so it appears to me to be a suicide by cop. The officers held off shooting him as long, or perhaps longer, as was possible or safe for them.