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Oct 19, 2023 12:05:11   #
tennis2618
 
[quote=CHG_CANON]LOL. Old dogs never learn new tricks. Why pay $$$$ for a digital wonder of the modern world and then use it as it was meant to be used? So many think 'success' is to shoot one frame standing straight up, at eye-level, usually slightly out of focus, just like every other person who ever shot from that spot before. Their images look exactly like everyone else's. Success ....

That sarcasm aside, I still fear the old dogs don't want to learn. Varying the aperture, varying the zoom length, varying the AF point location involves learning how to use your camera. Getting down on a knee, getting down on the ground, even moving 5 steps to the left or right, or better yet: 10 steps closer. Some of these tricks might even involve cracking the manual to learn where those controls reside. Spending 5 minutes instead of 30 seconds, when most of us really have all day free; I don't see it happening. I preach these ideas whenever I can find a soapbox....



One of the best comments I have seen from you. People who who cannot imagine and find the views and composition that are available and attractive in a scene haven't really learned about photography.

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Oct 19, 2023 12:11:54   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
tennis2618 wrote:
One of the best comments I have seen from you. People who who cannot imagine and find the views and composition that are available and attractive in a scene haven't really learned about photography.


Thanks tennis! Actually, with a few meet-ups under my belt, I've learned it really is the hands-on face-to-face discussions that really help to drive home 'new' ideas with people. Some people can read / watch videos and get the gumption to finally try something new, something different. I'm slow on the uptake of 'new' or 'different' myself. But, when you're with someone who is practicing or demonstrating the idea, and they can pause and give you the muscle memory / experience of the same, along with answering their clarifying questions, that's when the lightbulbs really seem to go off. So, I encourage people to try to find someone new to shoot with, if that possibility exists.

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Oct 19, 2023 12:36:05   #
Umnak Loc: Mount Vernon, Wa.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
LOL. Old dogs never learn new tricks. Why pay $$$$ for a digital wonder of the modern world and then use it as it was meant to be used? So many think 'success' is to shoot one frame standing straight up, at eye-level, usually slightly out of focus, just like every other person who ever shot from that spot before. Their images look exactly like everyone else's. Success ....

That sarcasm aside, I still fear the old dogs don't want to learn. Varying the aperture, varying the zoom length, varying the AF point location involves learning how to use your camera. Getting down on a knee, getting down on the ground, even moving 5 steps to the left or right, or better yet: 10 steps closer. Some of these tricks might even involve cracking the manual to learn where those controls reside. Spending 5 minutes instead of 30 seconds, when most of us really have all day free; I don't see it happening. I preach these ideas whenever I can find a soapbox.

A newer 'theme' I've seen is "I don't want to waste time on a computer." Well, too bad, all I hear is "I don't want to succeed. I have an attachment problem and can't delete failed image files." They think a real photographer like Ansel Adams hiked all the way into those mountains, took one perfect shot, and hiked home to glory.

Myself, most times I find that I arrive at just the right time when a thousand images will surely capture something. This strategy is more likely to yield success than just one slightly out of focus frame, shot at eye-level, standing straight up, and moving on. Myself, if I stop to shoot at all, I take as many versions as to justify (find) why I stopped there and raised the camera to begin with.
LOL. Old dogs never learn new tricks. Why pay $$$$... (show quote)



Words/ thoughts that I try to live by! Rarely is my first shot the keeper.

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Oct 19, 2023 12:46:42   #
MJPerini
 
larryepage wrote:
Please keep in mind that we are talking primarily about landscapes here. If there's time to try an additional angle, there's certainly time to compare the image we just captured to the real-life setting that it was taken from. Over time, we might learn how to actually see what we are looking at BEFORE pressing the button. Mirror box or mirrorless really makes no difference.


I agree with @larrypage here
The screen is a major feature that can give lots of information, why not use it......appropriately
Sure it can be over used, that's where 'Chimping' came from.
I'm typically aiming for the fewest files that will give me the most options.
In the same way 'Burst mode" can be over used ...."Spray and Pray' or thoughtfully used to achieve an objective.
Photography, like any other craft or art form is highly nuanced. Most of these pointless arguments ignore the nuance and define a practice as good or bad.
If the pictures are really good, no one cares about points of technique, if the pictures aren't good no one will care about technique either. There are lots of different ways to do stuff, so do what makes sense to you, and don't worry about what others do

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Oct 19, 2023 12:57:11   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
tennis2618 wrote:
... People who who cannot imagine and find the views and composition that are available and attractive in a scene haven't really learned about photography.
The opening post seemed to be an attempt to assist those who don't yet know all there is to know about photography.

A refreshing change indeed!

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Oct 19, 2023 13:05:38   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
The opening post seemed to be an attempt to assist those who don't yet know all there is to know about photography.

A refreshing change indeed!


I thought it was just the work needed to keep the #1 stat ...

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Oct 19, 2023 13:09:05   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
My work has improved a lot since I moved to Olympus M43 gear and switched to manual mode with the histogram turned on in the viewfinder. It helps to expose to the right as well as see when the bright areas are blown out.

Just back in from shooting in the fog this morning on the Oregon coast and a number of times, changed camera angles, zoom range etc. So at almost 75 now, still learning and adapting to my cameras capabilities.

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Oct 19, 2023 13:10:02   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
JFCoupe wrote:
My work has improved a lot since I moved to Olympus M43 gear and switched to manual mode with the histogram turned on in the viewfinder. It helps to expose to the right as well as see when the bright areas are blown out.

Just back in from shooting in the fog this morning on the Oregon coast and a number of times, changed camera angles, zoom range etc. So at almost 75 now, still learning and adapting to my cameras capabilities.


Hooray!

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Oct 19, 2023 13:20:56   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
User ID wrote:
Just cant find any place in this thread where landscape is established as the theme. Does using the word "scene" mean "landscape" ?

Are the attached images NOT scenes ? I do them just as "eye candy". I havent yet seen any landscapes that satisfy my sweet tooth.


I like the third image you posted!

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Oct 19, 2023 14:10:21   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Thanks tennis! Actually, with a few meet-ups under my belt, I've learned it really is the hands-on face-to-face discussions that really help to drive home 'new' ideas with people. Some people can read / watch videos and get the gumption to finally try something new, something different. I'm slow on the uptake of 'new' or 'different' myself. But, when you're with someone who is practicing or demonstrating the idea, and they can pause and give you the muscle memory / experience of the same, along with answering their clarifying questions, that's when the lightbulbs really seem to go off. So, I encourage people to try to find someone new to shoot with, if that possibility exists.
Thanks tennis! Actually, with a few meet-ups under... (show quote)


I definitely agree that actually going out and shooting with other photographers can be valuable. I often go shoot alone, most often I’m out with either hiking friends or kayaking friends, (groups with a huge overlap), so I can’t really take the time I’d like. Last year in Scotland one we were hiking the coast of Loch Leven and I easily could have spent a few hours in one location. I got a few nice shots, (most with my iPhone), but would have loved to explore the possibilities. One of my Florida trips last year a photography club buddy flew down and joined me for the last few days and having another photographer with me was great. We both understood that we needed time and there was no pressure to keep up.

These are all iPhone shots from Scotland. The first three I wouldn’t have gotten without moving around and looking at different viewpoints. The last two were just being observant.


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Oct 19, 2023 14:12:36   #
User ID
 
DougS wrote:
And usually the 1st shot is the best, anyway!

You got some work to do. When attempts at improving beyond your initial take are usually failing to deliver any improvement, then you really got some work to do.

Pure dumb luck could occasionally make your initial take shine as the best shot, thaz true, but that same pure dumb luck should even more often produce improved results as you continue "working the scene". Basic law of probability should work in favor of all those shots beyond the initial take. If your 1st shot is *usually* the best shot then something is really messed up :-(

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Oct 19, 2023 14:17:25   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
Well, I may take a few shots but I find that getting the right position/angle often gets the right shot immediately. Maybe that's the difference between the Catskills and the Hudson River. LOL

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Oct 19, 2023 15:03:11   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
revhen wrote:
Well, I may take a few shots but I find that getting the right position/angle often gets the right shot immediately. Maybe that's the difference between the Catskills and the Hudson River. LOL


I think the point is not assuming you have the right position/angle. You’re not gonna know without moving around and looking.

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Oct 19, 2023 15:42:55   #
ELNikkor
 
Totally agree! Just had a "Fashion Shoot" assignment from "52 frames". 3 locations, (in my spacious back yard), 2 lenses in 15 minutes, the non-professional model in a hurry to "get it done, this is embarrassing!" (Sound like a wife being pressed into a role?) 2 shots worth keeping, one perfect for the assignment. Always "work the scene", sometimes drive back 3 times if a thought of a different angle/setting comes into mind while driving away.

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Oct 19, 2023 15:55:54   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I definitely agree that actually going out and shooting with other photographers can be valuable. I often go shoot alone, most often I’m out with either hiking friends or kayaking friends, (groups with a huge overlap), so I can’t really take the time I’d like. Last year in Scotland one we were hiking the coast of Loch Leven and I easily could have spent a few hours in one location. I got a few nice shots, (most with my iPhone), but would have loved to explore the possibilities. One of my Florida trips last year a photography club buddy flew down and joined me for the last few days and having another photographer with me was great. We both understood that we needed time and there was no pressure to keep up.

These are all iPhone shots from Scotland. The first three I wouldn’t have gotten without moving around and looking at different viewpoints. The last two were just being observant.
I definitely agree that actually going out and sho... (show quote)


Really a top-notch post ⭐⭐🥇⭐⭐ I agree with your assessment of shooting with others, which I did for several months. Very inspirational, and a lot more fun than wandering around alone 😁😁😁

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