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Oct 19, 2023 09:21:23   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
It is fun to be out and have a non-photographer ask what I'm shooting and to be able to help them see something they never considered: such as how reflections from a vehicle in a carport became four shrouded men standing in archways, surrounded by golden light.

Yes, my neighbors think I'm slightly off


That reminds me of Sherlocks Holmes - "The Dancing Men."

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Oct 19, 2023 09:31:52   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Years ago, I took some courses from Lynda.com, and one of them featured a chapter called "Work the Scene." I've always remembered that. Unlike film days, when you had to make the most of every shot, today, we can shoot and shoot and shoot.

The idea behind "Work..." is that one shot is often not enough. I was just taking some pictures around the property outside, and I shot from lots of different angles. Shots that I thought would be good, weren't as good as shots that I took from other angles. Next time you're shooting something, try lots of different angles. You may be surprised at the results.
Years ago, I took some courses from Lynda.com, and... (show quote)


I totally agree. It’s how we move from taking a snapshot to making a photo. Good photography takes work.

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Oct 19, 2023 09:32:40   #
DougS Loc: Central Arkansas
 
And usually the 1st shot is the best, anyway!

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Oct 19, 2023 09:36:04   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
jerryc41 wrote:
That reminds me of Sherlocks Holmes - "The Dancing Men."
Cool. I'll have to read it!

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Oct 19, 2023 09:39:37   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
DougS wrote:
And usually the 1st shot is the best, anyway!


I think I'll like the first shot, but I often prefer one of the later ones.

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Oct 19, 2023 10:12:14   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
You originally said "taught." I assumed you meant by mentors or someone whose work you admire and feel inspired by.


Everything we say, right or wrong, serious or cynical, will have the effect of teaching someone something, especially in a diverse environment like this one. I don't worry about the seasoned "experts." They aren't likely to change much of anything that they do. But I do believe that there is a duty not to mislead those with less knowledge and experience.

There are many here who acknowledge that this forum is entertainment for them. That has to be OK. But there are also many who are seeking legitimate knowledge and answers. They have a reasonable expectation of being weli-served also. That very often does not happen.

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Oct 19, 2023 10:32:46   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
larryepage wrote:
... But there are also many who are seeking legitimate knowledge and answers. They have a reasonable expectation of being weli-served also. That very often does not happen.
I wish we knew more about how folks find their way to UHH as a source of information - especially because so many folks are senior citizens. Word of mouth? Advertising?

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Oct 19, 2023 10:54:12   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I wish we knew more about how folks find their way to UHH as a source of information - especially because so many folks are senior citizens. Word of mouth? Advertising?


More over, as a 'trusted source'? Trusted over contacting the help desk at Adobe for Adobe software problems. Trusted over detailed equipment review sites. Trusted over common sense and their own hands-on experience. Trusted over the user manual ... I know it's the 'real people' aspect, but how 'real' can an avatar and some text really be? Maybe it's the mustard color?

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Oct 19, 2023 11:01:36   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
LOL. Old dogs never learn new tricks. Why pay $$$$ for a digital wonder of the modern world and then use it as it was meant to be used? So many think 'success' is to shoot one frame standing straight up, at eye-level, usually slightly out of focus, just like every other person who ever shot from that spot before. Their images look exactly like everyone else's. Success ....

That sarcasm aside, I still fear the old dogs don't want to learn. Varying the aperture, varying the zoom length, varying the AF point location involves learning how to use your camera. Getting down on a knee, getting down on the ground, even moving 5 steps to the left or right, or better yet: 10 steps closer. Some of these tricks might even involve cracking the manual to learn where those controls reside. Spending 5 minutes instead of 30 seconds, when most of us really have all day free; I don't see it happening. I preach these ideas whenever I can find a soapbox.

A newer 'theme' I've seen is "I don't want to waste time on a computer." Well, too bad, all I hear is "I don't want to succeed. I have an attachment problem and can't delete failed image files." They think a real photographer like Ansel Adams hiked all the way into those mountains, took one perfect shot, and hiked home to glory.

Myself, most times I find that I arrive at just the right time when a thousand images will surely capture something. This strategy is more likely to yield success than just one slightly out of focus frame, shot at eye-level, standing straight up, and moving on. Myself, if I stop to shoot at all, I take as many versions as to justify (find) why I stopped there and raised the camera to begin with.
LOL. Old dogs never learn new tricks. Why pay $$$$... (show quote)


LOL!!! When can you NOT find a soapbox??

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Oct 19, 2023 11:25:25   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Years ago, I took some courses from Lynda.com, and one of them featured a chapter called "Work the Scene." I've always remembered that. Unlike film days, when you had to make the most of every shot, today, we can shoot and shoot and shoot.

The idea behind "Work..." is that one shot is often not enough. I was just taking some pictures around the property outside, and I shot from lots of different angles. Shots that I thought would be good, weren't as good as shots that I took from other angles. Next time you're shooting something, try lots of different angles. You may be surprised at the results.
Years ago, I took some courses from Lynda.com, and... (show quote)


I had an in-person photo (digital) teacher in a class that would say the same thing. I don't always follow it. But it is good advice.

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Oct 19, 2023 11:26:53   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
camerapapi wrote:
Every subject can usually be photographed from many different angles and not precisely from the first one we selected. Looking at the subject and what the light is doing to it is something we usually fail to notice. I agree with Linda, we look but most of the time we do not see. I agree also with the statements by Paul, CHG-Canon. Look at your subject from different angles. When I shoot sunsets or sunrises I usually look back also and many times what I see is more interesting that my original position to photograph the sunset or the sunrise.

Observing the subject and planning the photograph is the most basic approach to photography.
Every subject can usually be photographed from man... (show quote)


I'm primarily a wildlife photographer. I always thought "look behind you" meant make sure the Brown Bear isn't getting too close!!

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Oct 19, 2023 11:30:33   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
LOL. Old dogs never learn new tricks. Why pay $$$$ for a digital wonder of the modern world and then use it as it was meant to be used? So many think 'success' is to shoot one frame standing straight up, at eye-level, usually slightly out of focus, just like every other person who ever shot from that spot before. Their images look exactly like everyone else's. Success ....

That sarcasm aside, I still fear the old dogs don't want to learn. Varying the aperture, varying the zoom length, varying the AF point location involves learning how to use your camera. Getting down on a knee, getting down on the ground, even moving 5 steps to the left or right, or better yet: 10 steps closer. Some of these tricks might even involve cracking the manual to learn where those controls reside. Spending 5 minutes instead of 30 seconds, when most of us really have all day free; I don't see it happening. I preach these ideas whenever I can find a soapbox.

A newer 'theme' I've seen is "I don't want to waste time on a computer." Well, too bad, all I hear is "I don't want to succeed. I have an attachment problem and can't delete failed image files." They think a real photographer like Ansel Adams hiked all the way into those mountains, took one perfect shot, and hiked home to glory.

Myself, most times I find that I arrive at just the right time when a thousand images will surely capture something. This strategy is more likely to yield success than just one slightly out of focus frame, shot at eye-level, standing straight up, and moving on. Myself, if I stop to shoot at all, I take as many versions as to justify (find) why I stopped there and raised the camera to begin with.
LOL. Old dogs never learn new tricks. Why pay $$$$... (show quote)


I haven’t done it in a while, but an exercise I like and recommend if you feel like your vision is getting “stale” is to go out and shoot with nothing but one prime lens. Usually I use a 50mm, (or whatever is “normal” for the format), but sometimes a 35mm or 85mm. People often say “zoom with your feet” when talking about getting close enough, but I think more importantly it makes you move and when you move you see things differently. I love the convenience of a zoom lens, but it should be a tool and not a crutch.
As for post processing, the biggest time suck is learning. Occasionally I’ll spend a while on an image, but most images take less than a minute. Set white & black points, adjust highlights & shadows, and maybe a little clarity, texture & contrast and a little luminance or saturation. It doesn’t take long.

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Oct 19, 2023 11:33:31   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Retired CPO wrote:
....I always thought "look behind you" meant make sure the Brown Bear isn't getting too close!!


That too is good advice .

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Oct 19, 2023 11:34:54   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I haven’t done it in a while, but an exercise I like and recommend if you feel like your vision is getting “stale” is to go out and shoot with nothing but one prime lens. Usually I use a 50mm, (or whatever is “normal” for the format), but sometimes a 35mm or 85mm. People often say “zoom with your feet” when talking about getting close enough, but I think more importantly it makes you move and when you move you see things differently. I love the convenience of a zoom lens, but it should be a tool and not a crutch.
As for post processing, the biggest time suck is learning. Occasionally I’ll spend a while on an image, but most images take less than a minute. Set white & black points, adjust highlights & shadows, and maybe a little clarity, texture & contrast and a little luminance or saturation. It doesn’t take long.
I haven’t done it in a while, but an exercise I li... (show quote)


As a prime shooter, I agree completely. Sometimes I succeed in going out with just 1 prime, although usually there's another focal length in the bag too.

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Oct 19, 2023 11:42:11   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
More over, as a 'trusted source'? Trusted over contacting the help desk at Adobe for Adobe software problems. Trusted over detailed equipment review sites. Trusted over common sense and their own hands-on experience. Trusted over the user manual ... I know it's the 'real people' aspect, but how 'real' can an avatar and some text really be? Maybe it's the mustard color?
If some UHH members couldn't complain about what other UHH members write, they would find themselves without a reason to get out of bed.

Occasional complaining about other users is allowed, of course

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