Generative Fill...Oboy, here we go!
May 24, 2023 13:03:00 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
An AI-generated work has already won a photo contest. There were at least two main forum topics about that within the past month, with thoughtful and provocative discussion. Hint: contests simply need to more explicitly define their rules and categories.
"Means of income..." - I already addressed. Hint: adapt or die.
You're obviously passionate about your beliefs, but I'm wondering who on UHH you expect to convert?
"Means of income..." - I already addressed. Hint: adapt or die.
You're obviously passionate about your beliefs, but I'm wondering who on UHH you expect to convert?
Who am I trying to convert? Obviously not you, since you believe an Ai generated image is somehow skillful photography.
What is your point about the photo contest? It basically proves one of my points that an Ai generated image is not photography. The winner admitted his image was not a photograph and gave back the prize.
You claim you addressed my comment about income in a sort of round about way without really answering it.
Would Nat Geo accept ai generated images as photojournalism? Adapt or die? Should the photographers who risked their lives by going to a war zone and faced actually dying adapt to an ai generated image getting published instead of theirs?
If a photographer was on assignment to photograph grizzly bears feeding on salmon and they just shot a river and put an Ai generated bear in their image would that take much skill on their part?
Again I am not arguing that people shouldn't have fun generating Ai images. I've seen plenty of ones that I quite like. I am not a luddite arguing about progress and technology. How could I since I'm using a computer? I'm saying Ai generated images are not photography since there is zero photography involved. And I am also saying there is little to no skill involved in telling a computer to put a pack of wolves in your photo where there were none.
May 24, 2023 13:08:42 #
kenArchi
Loc: Seal Beach, CA
I will be beeming with delight showing my AWSOME photos to my family and friends.....
May 24, 2023 13:30:18 #
srg wrote:
The best thing about photography is the melding of imagination with technology.
If you have no imagination, you have no use for technology.
If you have no imagination, you have no use for technology.
I agree totally. How could I argue against that since I use a computer and PS and all the technology it offers? I am not against compositing images or using Ai to assist in processing an image. And I'm not against someone creating art by taking multiple Ai generated parts and compositing them into something pleasing. It would take skill and vision to put them all together. I'm just saying there is not much skill involved in a person letting Ai replace a sky in their image with one that the Ai creates. If you replace the sky with one of your own, it's your sky that you used your skill to produce.
May 24, 2023 13:32:23 #
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
I don't care what others do for a hobby and it doe... (show quote)
Now you are going into different categories of Photography. Is photo manipulation acceptable in Photojournalism? NO! Is it acceptable in Nature Photography? NO! But is it acceptable in art photography? Yes, it is.
May 24, 2023 13:33:18 #
Markag wrote:
I thought it worked fairly well. A before and after?
The colors and detail are much better on the original image.
Will
May 24, 2023 13:44:59 #
kenArchi
Loc: Seal Beach, CA
Soul Dr. wrote:
The colors and detail are much better on the original image.
Will
Will
May 24, 2023 13:45:37 #
R.G. wrote:
Make that four (and counting 
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).Fortunately UHH is the only website showing this stuff, so we won't interfere with the rest of the World Wide Web.
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May 24, 2023 13:51:01 #
kenArchi
Loc: Seal Beach, CA
Would you hang a fake photo on your wall.
I guess there are those who feel proud they made a fake photo to hang on their wall.
Would that be c r e e p y?
I guess there are those who feel proud they made a fake photo to hang on their wall.
Would that be c r e e p y?
May 24, 2023 14:00:40 #
May 24, 2023 14:06:45 #
Chan Garrett wrote:
Now you are going into different categories of Photography. Is photo manipulation acceptable in Photojournalism? NO! Is it acceptable in Nature Photography? NO! But is it acceptable in art photography? Yes, it is.
I agree with everything you stated. But I don't think I ever said it was not acceptable in photo art. Maybe I did. I'm too lazy to go back and read through the whole topic. I think I expressed that it didn't take any skill as a photographer to let Ai generate something that wasn't there and put it in your image. If you use your own photos to composite, you used your own skills in taking the photos.
May 24, 2023 14:11:33 #
Canisdirus wrote:
People buy photos...they like.
That's the only criteria.
That's the only criteria.
Agreed. But is it a photograph if it's Ai generated? It may be pleasant to look at, but there is zero photography involved.
May 24, 2023 14:14:42 #
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
I agree totally. How could I argue against that si... (show quote)
Thank you for clarifying what you are concerned about. In your opening post, it seemed to me that you were opposed to the new editing tools in Ps Betta. Now you seem to be concerned about fully AI images created from nothing. I consider it is my photography if I start from an image, or images that I photographed. I will use these new features to let me more quickly and easily do what I wish to do to enhance my image.
May 24, 2023 14:17:30 #
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
No, I would certainly not call you a lousy photogr... (show quote)
No, using content aware fill is not getting around software limitations; it is creating part of an image that was not captured by your camera. And that content aware fill function is ripe for AI use. So now what is the topic of discussion; how much of an image can be fake before it is no longer a photograph? Just another instance like sky replacement; unless you use your own sky photos then it's not your photograph any more.
At least if AI generates the sky, it isn't as bad as using someone elses sky photo.
May 24, 2023 14:30:48 #
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
Oh my goodness, you got that from what I wrote? Amazing....you believe an Ai generated image is somehow skillful photography...
May 24, 2023 14:31:28 #
Bill_de wrote:
This is UHH where nothing goes without saying. 
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