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May 24, 2023 11:17:34   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Could you explain more of what you are talking about? What Ps Tool or App are you talking about. KelbyOne (an instructional site / photographer), what does that have to do with a Photoshop update?


...here ya go, buddy. I kind've figured most of the 'Hogs would be on it, at least the subscribed variety. Kelby is a hoot, and he displays his unease re. the update...and then shows you how to work it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63xd7qu83FU&t=1710s

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May 24, 2023 11:25:11   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
Thanks Bill. From the bottom of my heart, I really do mean that. Your website is quite nice also. But I didn't want to turn this into a pissing contest amongst fellow photographers. I don't proclaim myself to be better that anyone else. It's just that I don't consider Ai generated images to be photography, nor to take any skill at all other than typing some words on a computer.


I really don't think many on this board *do* consider AI generated "images" to be "photography." Personally, I welcome another tool to use creating upgrades to my work (my call here, no one else's, the result could suck when looked at by other's). When reacting to a comment, or event, I usually step back and think about what's been said before committing to typing a response...but that's just me. ;0) Watch the Kelby vid and you'll see a few uses that may fit into *your* workflow!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63xd7qu83FU&t=1710s

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May 24, 2023 11:30:53   #
Markag
 
I thought it worked fairly well. A before and after?


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May 24, 2023 11:34:43   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
I don't care what others do for a hobby and it doesn't affect me. But photography is not a hobby for many. It is a profession and their means of income.
If National Geographic sent a group of photographers to cover the war in Iraq, do you think they would accept images from the photographers if they just sat at home and generated them on their computer?
If a magazine or newspaper was sponsoring a contest for photo of the year and you submitted work, would you be happy if someone won with an Ai generated image?
I don't care what others do for a hobby and it doe... (show quote)
An AI-generated work has already won a photo contest. There were at least two main forum topics about that within the past month, with thoughtful and provocative discussion. Hint: contests simply need to more explicitly define their rules and categories.

"Means of income..." - I already addressed. Hint: adapt or die.

You're obviously passionate about your beliefs, but I'm wondering who on UHH you expect to convert?

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May 24, 2023 11:35:39   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
chasgroh wrote:
I really don't think many on this board *do* consider AI generated "images" to be "photography." Personally, I welcome another tool to use creating upgrades to my work (my call here, no one else's, the result could suck when looked at by other's). When reacting to a comment, or event, I usually step back and think about what's been said before committing to typing a response...but that's just me. ;0) Watch the Kelby vid and you'll see a few uses that may fit into *your* workflow!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63xd7qu83FU&t=1710s
I really don't think many on this board *do* consi... (show quote)


Agree, AI images are graphic art not photography.

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May 24, 2023 11:37:04   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
I don't care what others do for a hobby and it doesn't affect me. But photography is not a hobby for many. It is a profession and their means of income.
If National Geographic sent a group of photographers to cover the war in Iraq, do you think they would accept images from the photographers if they just sat at home and generated them on their computer?
If a magazine or newspaper was sponsoring a contest for photo of the year and you submitted work, would you be happy if someone won with an Ai generated image?
I don't care what others do for a hobby and it doe... (show quote)


There's a difference between what is allowed in photojournalism and what is allowed in artistic photography. There is also a difference between images entirely generated on a computer, which are not photographs, and using AI apps to process actual photographs.

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May 24, 2023 11:37:29   #
The Aardvark Is Ready
 
jaredjacobson wrote:
A thought provoking question, to be sure. I see this as similar to the question of where the creativity and skill are in being a movie director. The costumer selects the clothing; the director doesn’t. The camera people take the shots, not the director. The editor puts the scenes together. The effects people create the explosions. The set designers make sure the background is suitable for the 18th century or outer space. There is skill in all these efforts, and a failure in any one can reduce the movie’s impact.

But the director has the vision and works to bring the best out of all these other disciplines. In photography or digital art, without the vision, it’s just another flower picture. It may be technically perfect, but it may also be boring. You may argue that using AI is not photography, but for some people, the photography is not the point: creating a compelling image is the point.

I enjoy going out into the world (or into my living room or whatever) and taking compelling photographs to the best of my abilities. I then enjoy taking those photographs and making interesting, beautiful, gritty, confusing, abstract, concrete, or emotionally impactful images out of them. Sometimes that’s just up or down on a few sliders. Other times that’s a complete transformation of the image content. I will happily use whatever tool helps me execute that vision.
A thought provoking question, to be sure. I see t... (show quote)


I agree totally with most of what you say. But your last paragraph gets to the crux of the matter. You are taking your photographs, your artistic vision, your knowledge and skill at processing, and producing your art that pleases you. To me that is totally different than an Ai generated image which is basically the work of someone else namely the computer programmer. It's not photography.

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May 24, 2023 11:38:59   #
Canisdirus
 
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
How is this evolving? It is actually devolving. Have you seen the movie "Wall-E?" In it, the human race has devolved into squishy Michelin Tire men unable to even walk from letting technology do everything for them. How are your photography skills evolving by using a computer to generate an image for you?


Evolve just means to develop...this is the future...opinions will vary...but nothing is going to even slow it down.

Getting images used to be like panning for gold...now they can be produced by the thousands...by a single person...in a single hour.

Mankind is on a one way street...always has been.

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May 24, 2023 11:41:17   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
chasgroh wrote:
...here ya go, buddy. I kind've figured most of the 'Hogs would be on it, at least the subscribed variety. Kelby is a hoot, and he displays his unease re. the update...and then shows you how to work it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63xd7qu83FU&t=1710s


OK, thanks. Now I know you were talking about an AI tool added to Ps. I'm still using Ps CS6 so I am not up about new updates and features. But I do think I'll eventually want Ps Classic for its Content Aware Tools that are far better today. But full AI, not interested.

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May 24, 2023 11:51:11   #
The Aardvark Is Ready
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
There's a difference between what is allowed in photojournalism and what is allowed in artistic photography. There is also a difference between images entirely generated on a computer, which are not photographs, and using AI apps to process actual photographs.


I agree. Isn't that what I basically said. I thought I differentiated between using Ai to process a photo and using it to generate an image. Sometimes I'm not the most articulate person.

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May 24, 2023 12:01:24   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
...People are very excited


The people that will be most excited will be the ones with imagination, vision and talent and who don't see photography primarily as a technical exercise.

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May 24, 2023 12:12:32   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
R.G. wrote:
The people that will be most excited will be the ones with imagination, vision and talent and who don't see photography primarily as a technical exercise.
I thought that went without saying

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May 24, 2023 12:28:50   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I thought that went without saying

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This is UHH where nothing goes without saying.

I just watched the entire Scott Kelby AI video. It was worth the hour and a half.

Instead of learning all the features on a new camera, in the future you will just need to expand your vocabulary.

Truly amazing!!!

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May 24, 2023 12:59:05   #
srg
 
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
The only people that would be excited by this are lousy photographers.


The best thing about photography is the melding of imagination with technology.
If you have no imagination, you have no use for technology.

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May 24, 2023 13:02:09   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Yours is the third topic posted today about this subject....


Make that four (and counting ).

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