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May 24, 2023 08:08:38   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
... Why even photograph at all? Just sit at home on the computer and let Ai generate an image for you?
I'm curious why anyone cares what others do, given that photography is a hobby?

Anyone whose livelihood has been affected by changes in the profession has had to adapt, just like hundreds of other fields since the Industrial Revolution.

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May 24, 2023 08:28:10   #
Canisdirus
 
Every industry evolves...you either adapt...or you don't.

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May 24, 2023 08:47:54   #
turp77 Loc: Connecticut, Plainfield
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
I guess you mean that the only use of post processing is to fix bad photos. In fact, its best use is to take photos which are the best they can be out of the camera and improve them further.


I agree. Look at Ansel Adams. He spent many hours in his darkroom POST PROCESSING his photos. Did that make him a lousy photographer😂 I imagine he would fully indorse digital and the photo editing programs if he was around

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May 24, 2023 09:02:52   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera like a Real Photographer.

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May 24, 2023 09:28:13   #
Chan Garrett
 
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
The only people that would be excited by this are lousy photographers.


That's what people said years ago when Photoshop first came out.

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May 24, 2023 09:38:17   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Chan Garrett wrote:
That's what people said years ago when Photoshop first came out.


They're still saying it, especially on UHH.

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May 24, 2023 09:40:45   #
jaredjacobson
 
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
Again, I ask, where is the skill in that?
Why even learn the exposure triangle, DOF, rules of composition, color theory, animal behaviour, tide charts, sunrise sunset times, posing a subject, scouting a location? Why even photograph at all? Just sit at home on the computer and let Ai generate an image for you?


A thought provoking question, to be sure. I see this as similar to the question of where the creativity and skill are in being a movie director. The costumer selects the clothing; the director doesn’t. The camera people take the shots, not the director. The editor puts the scenes together. The effects people create the explosions. The set designers make sure the background is suitable for the 18th century or outer space. There is skill in all these efforts, and a failure in any one can reduce the movie’s impact.

But the director has the vision and works to bring the best out of all these other disciplines. In photography or digital art, without the vision, it’s just another flower picture. It may be technically perfect, but it may also be boring. You may argue that using AI is not photography, but for some people, the photography is not the point: creating a compelling image is the point.

I enjoy going out into the world (or into my living room or whatever) and taking compelling photographs to the best of my abilities. I then enjoy taking those photographs and making interesting, beautiful, gritty, confusing, abstract, concrete, or emotionally impactful images out of them. Sometimes that’s just up or down on a few sliders. Other times that’s a complete transformation of the image content. I will happily use whatever tool helps me execute that vision.

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May 24, 2023 10:27:02   #
The Aardvark Is Ready
 
turp77 wrote:
I agree. Look at Ansel Adams. He spent many hours in his darkroom POST PROCESSING his photos. Did that make him a lousy photographer😂 I imagine he would fully indorse digital and the photo editing programs if he was around


I knew the Ansel Adams thing would come up. Post processing is not the debate. Neither is the use of digital and photo editing programs. Ansel was using his own skill and artistic vision to process his images. He WAS NOT using a computer to generate images for him.

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May 24, 2023 10:45:22   #
The Aardvark Is Ready
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Every industry evolves...you either adapt...or you don't.


How is this evolving? It is actually devolving. Have you seen the movie "Wall-E?" In it, the human race has devolved into squishy Michelin Tire men unable to even walk from letting technology do everything for them. How are your photography skills evolving by using a computer to generate an image for you?

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May 24, 2023 10:57:35   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
User ID wrote:
A visitor from The Attic shares his photographic "wisdom".

Always consider the source.



He's got some nice work on his Flicker account. When it comes to show and tell, I'll look to the photographer who shows his work.

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May 24, 2023 10:59:42   #
The Aardvark Is Ready
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I'm curious why anyone cares what others do, given that photography is a hobby?

Anyone whose livelihood has been affected by changes in the profession has had to adapt, just like hundreds of other fields since the Industrial Revolution.


I don't care what others do for a hobby and it doesn't affect me. But photography is not a hobby for many. It is a profession and their means of income.
If National Geographic sent a group of photographers to cover the war in Iraq, do you think they would accept images from the photographers if they just sat at home and generated them on their computer?
If a magazine or newspaper was sponsoring a contest for photo of the year and you submitted work, would you be happy if someone won with an Ai generated image?

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May 24, 2023 11:03:26   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
chasgroh wrote:
If you have PS Beta installed, update now. Then find KelbyOne on You Tube...oh, this is good. BTW, I've tried it, disturbing and FUN!


Could you explain more of what you are talking about? What Ps Tool or App are you talking about. KelbyOne (an instructional site / photographer), what does that have to do with a Photoshop update?

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May 24, 2023 11:10:36   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
Come on, can't you kids fight nicely?

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May 24, 2023 11:13:55   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
jaredjacobson wrote:
A thought provoking question, to be sure. I see this as similar to the question of where the creativity and skill are in being a movie director. The costumer selects the clothing; the director doesn’t. The camera people take the shots, not the director. The editor puts the scenes together. The effects people create the explosions. The set designers make sure the background is suitable for the 18th century or outer space. There is skill in all these efforts, and a failure in any one can reduce the movie’s impact.

But the director has the vision and works to bring the best out of all these other disciplines. In photography or digital art, without the vision, it’s just another flower picture. It may be technically perfect, but it may also be boring. You may argue that using AI is not photography, but for some people, the photography is not the point: creating a compelling image is the point.

I enjoy going out into the world (or into my living room or whatever) and taking compelling photographs to the best of my abilities. I then enjoy taking those photographs and making interesting, beautiful, gritty, confusing, abstract, concrete, or emotionally impactful images out of them. Sometimes that’s just up or down on a few sliders. Other times that’s a complete transformation of the image content. I will happily use whatever tool helps me execute that vision.
A thought provoking question, to be sure. I see t... (show quote)


Bravo. There are many of *us* partaking.

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May 24, 2023 11:14:06   #
The Aardvark Is Ready
 
Bill_de wrote:
He's got some nice work on his Flicker account. When it comes to show and tell, I'll look to the photographer who shows his work.

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Thanks Bill. From the bottom of my heart, I really do mean that. Your website is quite nice also. But I didn't want to turn this into a pissing contest amongst fellow photographers. I don't proclaim myself to be better that anyone else. It's just that I don't consider Ai generated images to be photography, nor to take any skill at all other than typing some words on a computer.

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