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Apr 27, 2022 09:59:32   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Thank you Bill, tradio, 47greyfox, Photolady2014, William, anotherview, Edward, Chris! I went through an Adobe RGB phase too. Some tools like LR that don't even offer a colorspace selection that can 'mask' the potential negative impact of using this camera option. If you need to custom the first for character portion of the 8x3 files names, using Adobe RGB might negatively impact you too when you then only have 3 of 4 customization characters in what's left of the 7x3 file name.

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Apr 27, 2022 10:07:41   #
Goober Loc: Southeastern PA
 
Paul, thank you for your very detailed description of sRBG vs AdobeRBG. Informative and much appreciated.

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Apr 27, 2022 10:16:31   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Answer: nothing good

Did I get your attention? Are you ready for another urban myth of photography to be knocked down? Here we go.

If you shoot JPEG, are you editing all your images always? If no, don't set your camera to Adobe RGB as you need to, at the minimum, output the colorspace to the general sRGB colorspace before sharing your images.

The choice of color space is a 50/50 choice, as in: sRGB you win, Adobe RGB you lose.

If you shoot RAW, you're wasting your time completely. Why? Your file names get an underscore in the first position like _MG0001.NEF and RAW files don't have a colorspace anyway. RAW files are the original sensor data. Camera sensors don't have a colorspace. Colorspace is an attribute of your digital editor or how the color data is encoded into a display format when the RAW data is converted to JPEG or TIFF, etc. That's how a tool like Lightroom or Topaz Sharpen can use ProPhotoRGB against your RAW files even though ProPhotoRGB isn't even an option in the camera menu options.

Do you shoot RAW and JPEG so you can share the JPEGs quickly? Now you're wasting your time by a factor of 2x. Your 'quick JPEGs' now require a colorspace conversion before sharing, defeating 'quick'. Your RAW files, as noted above, get a less useful filename while having no technical impact of using the Adobe RGB colorspace camera setting.

Now, let's get to the real urban myths:

Myth1 - Adobe RGB is better for printing

Really? Do you print your images? Does your printer (local or third-party) accept files in Adobe RGB? Have you ever compared two prints, one in sRGB against the same image in Adobe RGB? If you have any NO responses to these probing questions, then Adobe RGB is not really better for printing.

Myth2 - Adobe RGB is the better colorspace

Really? When your RAW sensor data was converted to an 8-bit JPEG, the 12- or 14-bit data from the sensor was 'compressed' into the maximum storage capabilities of the 8-bit JPEG format. To simplify the high-level idea, Adobe RGB emphasizes different colors / tones over sRGB, but it cannot 'store' more data in 8-bit than sRGB can store in the same 8-bit encoding. BTW, RGB is literally Red-Green-Blue and this colorspace data is simply all the color tones and relative brightness of mixing Red with Green with Blue to create the rich colors and tones of the world.

When should I use Adobe RGB?

I'm trying to argue: never.

If I haven't convince you yet, consider these four reasons / input requirements, all that must be met together:

a. You shoot in your camera's highest quality JPEG setting, i.e., the highest pixel resolution and the least JPEG compression.

b. You edit all your JPEGs in a workflow that reliably enforces a conversion to the sRGB colorspace for online sharing of the edited results.

c. Any transitions between software in your workflow maintain the ProPhotoRGB (or Adobe RGB) colorspace when the transition files are created.

d. You have a printer that accepts the Adobe RGB files and prints in the Adobe RGB colorspace (and does not perform a behind the scenes sRGB converion).

e. (Optional) You've paid extra (a whole lot extra) to buy an "Adobe RGB" monitor to see your colorspace during editing

Still not convinced? Here's two UHH links:

The first post shows a problem using the wrong colorspace on page 1 of the original post. Just skip to page 2 to see an example of the image converted and posted to sRGB. This is what you risk by using Adobe RGB:

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-362867-1.html

Here's a longer, boring thread about the two colorspaces:

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-364870-1.html
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Myth #1 is NOT a myth. Adobe RGB 1998 makes a huge difference in the quality of your prints, that is if you have the sensibilities of a fine art printer. Or put another way, if when you go to print what you see is what you get is important to you.

Not being flippant here, as many people don't notice and don't care if the colors they get in their prints are not what their files are. But, If you want your prints to match what you see on your monitor, your file should be in Adobe RGB and you must print in the Adobe RGB color space. Period.

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Apr 27, 2022 10:19:00   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Myth #1 is NOT a myth. Adobe RGB 1998 makes a huge difference in the quality of your prints, that is if you have the sensibilities of a fine art printer.

Not being flippant here, as many people don't notice and don't care if the colors they get in their prints are not what their files are. But, If you want your prints to match what you see on your monitor, you must print in the Adobe RGB color space.


Note, I presented three probing questions to demonstrate how (and how not) to confirm this urban myth. And then later, I gave 4 'must haves' to be meet to make Adobe RGB worthwhile. Again, if you can't meet these must-have's, you're just wasting your time and listening to outdated urban myths, frequently repeated in UHH, that are easily debunked in April 2022.

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Apr 27, 2022 10:46:58   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Myth #1 is NOT a myth. Adobe RGB 1998 makes a huge difference in the quality of your prints, that is if you have the sensibilities of a fine art printer. Or put another way, if when you go to print what you see is what you get is important to you.

Not being flippant here, as many people don't notice and don't care if the colors they get in their prints are not what their files are. But, If you want your prints to match what you see on your monitor, your file should be in Adobe RGB and you must print in the Adobe RGB color space. Period.
Myth #1 is NOT a myth. Adobe RGB 1998 makes a huge... (show quote)

Calibrating the monitor for whatever color space may help. Are monitors sRGB or Adobe RGB? Or selectable, with a default?

It also depends on how persnickety one is.

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Apr 27, 2022 11:35:13   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Fotoartist wrote:
… But, If you want your prints to match what you see on your monitor, your file should be in Adobe RGB and you must print in the Adobe RGB color space. Period.


The key to having your prints match what you see on your monitor is proper calibration, the correct ICC profile and soft proofing, regardless of what color space you use.

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Apr 27, 2022 11:40:01   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
TriX wrote:
The key to having your prints match what you see on your monitor is proper calibration, the correct ICC profile and soft proofing, regardless of what color space you use.


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Apr 27, 2022 12:40:33   #
kenArchi Loc: Seal Beach, CA
 
Should I choose No Color Management, and why/why not?

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Apr 27, 2022 12:44:46   #
kenArchi Loc: Seal Beach, CA
 
Does the color setting in camera effect raw or only the jpeg pictures.

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Apr 27, 2022 12:44:47   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
kenArchi wrote:
Should I choose No Color Management, and why/why not?


Where would you do that? That's not a camera option in the context of this discussion.

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Apr 27, 2022 12:46:25   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
kenArchi wrote:
Does the color setting in camera effect raw or only the jpeg pictures.


The colorspace setting applies to only the JPEG output, or TIFF or HEIF if your camera creates. Both the JPEG and RAW file names are impacted by this setting.

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Apr 27, 2022 12:52:58   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
TriX wrote:
The key to having your prints match what you see on your monitor is proper calibration, the correct ICC profile and soft proofing, regardless of what color space you use.


I more or less agree with you. If your photo is in sRGB printing in sRGB probably will match although I have not tried that. Soft proofing is for adjusting mis-matched color spaces or completely out of gamut colors to agree with your intent.

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Apr 27, 2022 13:32:47   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Fotoartist wrote:
I more or less agree with you. If your photo is in sRGB printing in sRGB probably will match although I have not tried that. Soft proofing is for adjusting mis-matched color spaces or completely out of gamut colors to agree with your intent.


Just to clarify. Soft proofing is to apply the printer’s/paper’s ICC profile to the monitor’s image so what you edit and see in terms of color/brightness/etc. on your monitor results in a printed image that matches as closely as possible (considering that the monitor is transmitted light and the print is reflected).

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Apr 27, 2022 13:39:10   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
TriX wrote:
Just to clarify. Soft proofing is to apply the printer’s/paper’s ICC profile to the monitor’s image so what you edit and see in terms of color/brightness/etc. on your monitor results in a printed image that matches as closely as possible (considering that the monitor is transmitted light and the print is reflected).


I have found that if you use the proper printer profile and work in the same color space you print in with in-gamut colors, you don't need to soft proof.

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Apr 27, 2022 14:13:04   #
kenArchi Loc: Seal Beach, CA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The colorspace setting applies to only the JPEG output, or TIFF or HEIF if your camera creates. Both the JPEG and RAW file names are impacted by this setting.


Doesn't the second sentence contradict the first sentence regarding raw?
First sentence says only jpeg, second sentence jpeg and raw. ???

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