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May 29, 2021 19:38:12   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
JohnFrim wrote:
No country is going to "invade" you in a way that can be stopped with your "musketeers." America will undoubtedly go down someday, but it will be defeated with economics and advanced technologies that "lead chuckers" will not be able to stop. It is not the Wild West anymore; it is 2021 and the future is computers, AI and software attacks on infrastructure.

Seriously, do you think Mexican or Canadian tanks are going to roll over you borders? Your biggest threat is actually... Americans!
No country is going to "invade" you in a... (show quote)


There are several, although doomsday-ish scenarios that could result in our country falling to a foreign power, for example, an EMP weapon could be used against us preemptively. Our guns and ammo (low tech) would be a major deterrent against invaders arriving with intact technology.

They're also a deterrent to our government. It would be extremely hard to mount a cultural revolution in this country unless our guns were already gone.

There is a lot of gun violence in our country, but the recent rise is easily attributable to a systemic program to let crime go unpunished. That is a liberal issue.

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May 29, 2021 19:54:25   #
Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
There are several, although doomsday-ish scenarios that could result in our country falling to a foreign power, for example, an EMP weapon could be used against us preemptively. Our guns and ammo (low tech) would be a major deterrent against invaders arriving with intact technology.

They're also a deterrent to our government. It would be extremely hard to mount a cultural revolution in this country unless our guns were already gone.

There is a lot of gun violence in our country, but the recent rise is easily attributable to a systemic program to let crime go unpunished. That is a liberal issue.
There are several, although doomsday-ish scenarios... (show quote)


"There is a lot of gun violence in our country, but the recent rise is easily attributable to a systemic program to let crime go unpunished. That is a liberal issue."

Well stated.

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May 29, 2021 20:46:03   #
captivecookie Loc: Washington state
 
JohnFrim wrote:
I think in times long past times (Pearl Harbour) it may have been possible to mount a flotilla as you envision, but with today's surveillance I don't think it would ever happen. The USN and USAF would be all over the ships before they even got to international waters with their "cargo."


Hope so.

I maintain that it is my belief that merely one of many factors protecting us is the fact we have gun rights.

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May 29, 2021 20:55:41   #
neillaubenthal
 
papakatz45 wrote:
Overall we rate Kraken as a quack.


Not the word I would use…but admin would stomp on me if I said it.

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May 29, 2021 22:02:32   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
What I do not understand is why a "civilized" (one might question that adjective!) society sees the need to own guns the way Americans do. You are the only nation on earth with that concept, and you have the gun violence and killings to demonstrate the problem. There are many countries where people own guns for legitimate reasons and purposes, yet they do not have the problem that you have in the US. It really is possible to have sensible gun regulation AND gun ownership at the same time.
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The difference John is that in America with the Left Wing anti gun politicians there is no real sensible gun regulation. For many years there has been a talk from the Left of taking guns away from citizens even though the 2nd Amendment forbids such action. You might be aware there are over 25,000 gun laws on the books already. Yet many of those laws are not enforced. Don't ask me why. I have no idea. I can tell you that many of the laws are only meant to keep law abiding citizens from having firearms. Not one of the laws does anything to stop criminals from having or obtaining firearms. Criminals do not generally purchase firearms in a gun store as do honest citizens.

You might be aware of Hunter Biden, President Biden's son, who purchased a firearm from a gun store but lied on the Federal Form 4473. Lying on that form is a felony charge of perjury. Over 60,000 people violate that law every year. Yet ATF does nothing to prosecute the offenders. Please explain to me why they do not. That law is set up to stop criminals from purchasing firearms. As a drug abuser Hunter Biden is prohibited from owning firearms. And yet he does. Is there a reason to enact even more anti gun laws when those we have are not enforced?

Another example: A felon is prohibited from owning firearms or ammunition. It is illegal, a felony, for ex felons to even touch a firearm. Yet it often happens that an armed felon is caught in the act of a burglary or theft. In order to have a speedy trial the District Attorney will drop the charge of felon in possession of a firearm and charge the felon with perhaps a simple trespassing charge. The felon gets a reduced sentence, the District Attorney can spout off that he has a high conviction rate for his next election speech and the criminal walks away after maybe a short term in a county jail rather than a state prison where he belongs. Once again, why even have laws that are not enforced except for honest citizens of let's say someone who feels threatened and starts carrying a handgun because he thinks his neighbor is out to get him.

Our Left Wing fools have been wanting to confiscate or other wise do away with AR and AK platform rifles. Even though these exact rifles have a very minimal impact on crime the Left still wants to put on a big show of getting rid of them. Why is that John? Why the HUGE display of anti semi automatic rifles when similar rifles have been popular in America since the late 1800's. Perhaps you can explain that to all of us. Minimal use in crime statistics and yet the Left wants to get rid of these two rifle types. Why.

Now I get you are not a gun person. But you can be a sometimes common sense person. So put away your anti gun bias and explain to us why the Left wants to take away something that does no or very minimal harm.

Dennis

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May 29, 2021 22:06:18   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
neillaubenthal wrote:
Not the word I would use…but admin would stomp on me if I said it.


You are correct about that. Admin is definitely left-leaning.

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May 29, 2021 22:10:27   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
captivecookie wrote:
I hypothesize there are countries out there right now who would like to take advantage of leadership they think is militarily weak to invade us. However, besides a well armed military with tanks and such, there are millions of armed civilian soldiers who would say NO to the invasion.

This is the reason the constitution allows us to be armed.


To add to your excellent remarks let's not forget the British clearly wanted to disarm Americans so they could force unlawful threats against colonists, higher taxes on everything, British military quartered in private homes, searches whenever the British wanted and so on. When the British tried taking our firearms at Lexington Concord Bridge we killed them.

Democrats are like the modern King George lll who want to take power from We the People. The Left Wing Attic dwellers will tell us that is a lie but the reality of it is it is not a lie. It is the absolute truth. Take a look at what the Left Wing is actually doing/done for a couple of years now. Freedom of Speech has given way to the Leftist, Hate Speech. If they do not like what you say against the government it is called Hate Speech. No more First Amendment. They want to make it possible for Antifa and BLM to demonstrate in non peaceful manner. But the Constitution gives people the right to Peacefully Assemble. Rioting, looting and arson is not Peacefully assembling. The Left wants to do away with the 2nd Amendment by taking away legally owned firearms by honest citizens while doing nothing to keep firearms from criminals.

This is the modern day Left Wing that wants to change much of America to suit their agenda.

Dennis

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May 29, 2021 22:15:53   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
No country is going to "invade" you in a way that can be stopped with your "musketeers." America will undoubtedly go down someday, but it will be defeated with economics and advanced technologies that "lead chuckers" will not be able to stop. It is not the Wild West anymore; it is 2021 and the future is computers, AI and software attacks on infrastructure.

Seriously, do you think Mexican or Canadian tanks are going to roll over you borders? Your biggest threat is actually... Americans!
No country is going to "invade" you in a... (show quote)


John you really should pay attention. There are already reports of Mexican military vehicles that have crossed our Southern border. Yes that is illegal and should be stopped. But I don't see our military down there, do you?

Let's not forget that in any war it is still the foot soldier, armed civilian that can still do some damage. No we can't fight nuclear weapons but if something does happen to threaten America don't you think there would be one hell of a lot of armed civilians to do our part? Besides, even if we eventually lose don't you think my country is worth fighting for TO ME? I hate to say this but honestly I do not see you and Kracken fighting for your country. I mean no offense but people in countries like yours who do not have the freedoms Americans have are seemingly more willing to give up freedoms for safety and not being killed. Most American Conservatives are the complete opposite. Even at 75 years old I would be more than willing to do my part to kill an invading enemy. YOU?????

Dennis

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May 30, 2021 03:18:08   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
dennis2146 wrote:
John you really should pay attention. There are already reports of Mexican military vehicles that have crossed our Southern border. Yes that is illegal and should be stopped. But I don't see our military down there, do you?

Let's not forget that in any war it is still the foot soldier, armed civilian that can still do some damage. No we can't fight nuclear weapons but if something does happen to threaten America don't you think there would be one hell of a lot of armed civilians to do our part? Besides, even if we eventually lose don't you think my country is worth fighting for TO ME? I hate to say this but honestly I do not see you and Kracken fighting for your country. I mean no offense but people in countries like yours who do not have the freedoms Americans have are seemingly more willing to give up freedoms for safety and not being killed. Most American Conservatives are the complete opposite. Even at 75 years old I would be more than willing to do my part to kill an invading enemy. YOU?????

Dennis
John you really should pay attention. There are a... (show quote)


Living in your tiny little uneducated world has left you and many

other Americans so clueless about what goes on in the rest of the world.

I hope no one here takes you seriously because you are so full of BS.

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May 30, 2021 10:16:45   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Kraken wrote:
Living in your tiny little uneducated world has left you and many

other Americans so clueless about what goes on in the rest of the world.

I hope no one here takes you seriously because you are so full of BS.


Leave it to you, an ignorant Left Wing Socialist who lives in another country, to tell me that Americans who do not share your Left Wing Socialist view points are clueless. You really should move here since your ignorant views are shared by our own American ignorant Left Wing Socialists who do not have a clue themselves about common sense and what our Constitution means regarding freedom.

The idiocy shared by your Left Wing thoughtless leaders is truly astounding.

NEWSFLASH!!!!! Overall we with common sense rate your constant lying Left Wing crap as pure trash only to be used in countries other than the FREE USA.

Dennis

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May 30, 2021 11:39:26   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
Kraken wrote:
Living in your tiny little uneducated world has left you and many

other Americans so clueless about what goes on in the rest of the world.

I hope no one here takes you seriously because you are so full of BS.


He seems quite educated to me. You are the one stuck in your very small far left liberal world say of thinking.

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May 30, 2021 21:30:44   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
dennis2146 wrote:
John you really should pay attention. There are already reports of Mexican military vehicles that have crossed our Southern border. Yes that is illegal and should be stopped. But I don't see our military down there, do you?

Let's not forget that in any war it is still the foot soldier, armed civilian that can still do some damage. No we can't fight nuclear weapons but if something does happen to threaten America don't you think there would be one hell of a lot of armed civilians to do our part? Besides, even if we eventually lose don't you think my country is worth fighting for TO ME? I hate to say this but honestly I do not see you and Kracken fighting for your country. I mean no offense but people in countries like yours who do not have the freedoms Americans have are seemingly more willing to give up freedoms for safety and not being killed. Most American Conservatives are the complete opposite. Even at 75 years old I would be more than willing to do my part to kill an invading enemy. YOU?????

Dennis
John you really should pay attention. There are a... (show quote)


The freedoms that you claim to have and that I don't are trivialities that to me are not worth fighting for. America may be the "freest" of the "free world" but that does not make the rest $hithole countries, and a former POTUS famously said while speaking so eloquently and presidentially.

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May 30, 2021 21:47:43   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
There are several, although doomsday-ish scenarios that could result in our country falling to a foreign power, for example, an EMP weapon could be used against us preemptively. Our guns and ammo (low tech) would be a major deterrent against invaders arriving with intact technology.

They're also a deterrent to our government. It would be extremely hard to mount a cultural revolution in this country unless our guns were already gone.

There is a lot of gun violence in our country, but the recent rise is easily attributable to a systemic program to let crime go unpunished. That is a liberal issue.
There are several, although doomsday-ish scenarios... (show quote)


There is always the Manchurian Candidate like was recently tried and came very close to being successful. Seems that an awful lot of the guns in this country were on the wrong side of that.

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May 30, 2021 22:13:10   #
captivecookie Loc: Washington state
 
thom w wrote:
There is always the Manchurian Candidate like was recently tried and came very close to being successful. Seems that an awful lot of the guns in this country were on the wrong side of that.


For those of us who think of that as a movie only, can you help fill in missing information?

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May 30, 2021 22:28:43   #
trainspotter Loc: Oregon
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Now THERE'S a very mature and info-contributing response!

Let me add meaningfully to the "discussion"...

First pic...
Did you forget to flush your latest dump?
Is that the best you have to offer the discussion?
How talented you are to get that curly on top, like a Dairy Queen serving! Do you do that by sliding around on the seat, or can you do it simply with sphincter control? (Asking for DJT.)

Second pic...
Self-portrait, I assume?
Are you suffering butt-hurt?
Try Preparation-H.
Now THERE'S a very mature and info-contributing re... (show quote)


what can I say pal,....I enjoy "sweeping dust around your feet". I don't see you pulling krack to "the side"....to ask HIM to move on from his "copy-n-past syndrome"..........CHEERS!

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