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Could Steroid use have contributed to George Floyd's death?
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Apr 7, 2021 11:23:57   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
The trial is in its 20th day, per the Strib.


John_F wrote:
The trial of Derek Chauvin has been going on for a coupla weeks or so. The Minneapolis Star Tribune is running a live video of it. Those interested may try the link -

Tiny url. https://tinyurl.com/yj4mc6mh

https://www.startribune.com/watch-live-trial-of-minneapolis-police-officer-derek-chauvin-for-george-floyd-death/600031682/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=talkers

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Apr 7, 2021 11:28:15   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
John_F wrote:
The trial of Derek Chauvin has been going on for a coupla weeks or so. The Minneapolis Star Tribune is running a live video of it. Those interested may try the link -

Tiny url. https://tinyurl.com/yj4mc6mh

https://www.startribune.com/watch-live-trial-of-minneapolis-police-officer-derek-chauvin-for-george-floyd-death/600031682/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=talkers


29 March
The trial started on 29 March and is expected to take at least one month.Mar 30, 2021

George Floyd death: How long will Derek Chauvin trial last ...

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Apr 7, 2021 12:48:03   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
mikee wrote:
He did not put a knee on his own neck!


Don't really gaf .

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Apr 7, 2021 12:58:02   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles
 
Floyd's autopsy showed large amounts of fentanyl and meth, as well as marijuana and several other drugs. Floyd also had other health issues, resulting from a lifetime of violence, and extensive drug misuse. The videos show that Floyd was saying "I can't breathe" long before he was handcuffed and held prone.

This is far from an open and shut case. I predict a hung jury, despite the extreme pressure put on the jury to make the politically correct finding of guilty.

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Apr 7, 2021 13:01:48   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
dpullum wrote:
Shutterbugsailer to determine if your premise is true, if you are free of drugs and alcohol, we can put you on the pavement and duplicate the knee on the neck and see if you survive. A controlled experiment ... BP, PO2 and such would be recorded over the test period.


Rather that Shutterbugsailer, let's perform the experiment on Officer Chauvin!

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Apr 7, 2021 13:26:15   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
Floyd's autopsy showed large amounts of fentanyl and meth, as well as marijuana and several other drugs.


I assume you are drug free.

So let us handcuff you...one of us will kneel on your back...another will hold your legs...I will kneel on your neck for 9 mins and 45 secs.

Let us see how that works out.

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Apr 7, 2021 14:02:27   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
GeorgeH wrote:
Rather that Shutterbugsailer, let's perform the experiment on Officer Chauvin!


All UHHers should be aware of the bias of perspective angles in photography. 2D video from a single angle, like still photography, can lie about the true relationship of two objects in space. In this case a knee and a neck. Usually video contains subject or camera moving about but not so much in this case. The video is more like a still shot.

As an avid shooter of 3D photos and movies and a retoucher of both I can tell you that 2D still shots lie like crazy about depth relationships unlike 3D. With 2D it is very easy to be fooled about whether the knee was on the carotid artery of the neck or on the neck where it meets the trapezius muscle of the back which might be considered reasonable.

Just saying you need to study the evidence more from different angles if they are available.

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Apr 7, 2021 14:28:00   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
I'm sure the officer did not kill in a a premeditated way so not murder. But not listening to the man's plea of not being able to breath constitutes manslaughter.

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Apr 7, 2021 15:37:20   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
Fotoartist wrote:
All UHHers should be aware of the bias of perspective angles in photography. 2D video from a single angle, like still photography, can lie about the true relationship of two objects in space. In this case a knee and a neck. Usually video contains subject or camera moving about but not so much in this case. The video is more like a still shot.

As an avid shooter of 3D photos and movies and a retoucher of both I can tell you that 2D still shots lie like crazy about depth relationships unlike 3D. With 2D it is very easy to be fooled about whether the knee was on the carotid artery of the neck or on the neck where it meets the trapezius muscle of the back which might be considered reasonable.

Just saying you need to study the evidence more from different angles if they are available.
All UHHers should be aware of the bias of perspect... (show quote)

Thanks for reminding us that UHH is a photography site

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Apr 7, 2021 15:41:05   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Bob Smith wrote:
I'm sure the officer did not kill in a a premeditated way so not murder. But not listening to the man's plea of not being able to breath constitutes manslaughter.


You may or may not be correct. I don't see how you can say "I'm sure".

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Apr 7, 2021 16:05:07   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Shutterbugsailer wrote:
Thanks for reminding us that UHH is a photography site


You are welcome. Those of us in the Attic need to be reminded now and then to make use of our particular talents in regard to optics and observation.

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Apr 7, 2021 16:31:12   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Shutterbugsailer wrote:
From what you seem to be implying, you think I am trying to excuse the behavior of that rogue cop. Nothing could be further from the truth. Let's use this as a hypothetical example. A 17 year old girl is crossing the street while texting her boyfriend, blissfully unaware of surrounding traffic. A drunk driver barrels down the street through two red lights and kills her. Her distraction in no ways mitigates his crime, but had she been focused on the street, instead of her smartphone, she would still be alive. In the case of George Floyd, his death was clearly a criminal act, but had he been healthier, he might still be alive, had he not resisted, he probably would still be alive, and had he not engaged in a life of drug abuse and crime, he definitely would still be alive.
From what you seem to be implying, you think I am ... (show quote)

True, the girl had some responsibility, but sober and alert you and I would have seen and tried our best to stop in time but may have hit her. In life a sequence of events leads to accidents or even war... had Archduke Ferdan's horse been faster ww1 would have been delayed and history would perhaps been different... Ja, bitte..oop, yes sir.

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Apr 7, 2021 17:17:52   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
GeorgeH wrote:
Rather that Shutterbugsailer, let's perform the experiment on Officer Chauvin!


If he winds up in general population while imprisoned, a member of the bloods or crips might just try to replicate that experiment

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Apr 7, 2021 18:39:04   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
I am of the opinion that Floyd's lifestyle - aka - drug use, illegal actions - contributed to his death by encountering a hardcore/no nonsense policeman doing his job of dealing with Floyd's type of street criminals. Unfortunately combining the 2 people's lifestyles at once proved to be fatal this time. One can't image the number of times this officer has had to use such force to control/handcuff a subject like Floyd who did not want to be arrested "one more time".
I spent 5 yrs spending my working day in the middle of an area with a very high % of people of his type doing their "thing" in the middle of the decent folks that were trying to show they were better than the "Floyd" type.
Harvey

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Apr 7, 2021 19:29:54   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
anotherview wrote:
Thanks for your empirical approach to this controversy. Let us hope the jury in the quest for justice applies the law to the facts and information available to it.

If I understand the policy for controlling and subduing a violent suspect, the knee on the neck existed as part of this process. The police officer applied his knee as necessary for the purpose intended. So, the question arises as a matter of judgment by the officer in using the knee in this case.

We must assume here that the police officer had no intention to kill Mr. Floyd, only to pacify him. Yet, at some point, Mr. Floyd had been controlled and taken into custody. Handcuffed and face down, Mr. Floyd became essentially helpless and subdued, thus requiring no more force as part of his arrest. The knee on his neck could have been removed earlier.

We must also assume that the ill health of Mr. Floyd and the illicit drugs in his system played a part in his death. Had he not struggled with the police but complied, then most likely he would have survived his arrest.

Let us also bear in mind that Mr. Floyd had committed a crime -- passing a counterfeit $20 bill in a convenience store. Hence, the police had good reason to arrest him and take him into custody for his criminal act. He tempted fate while resisting arrest given his condition.

This citizen observes that nearly all who comment on the untimely death of Mr. Floyd have not read and understood his autopsy. Herewith, his autopsy for perusal: https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf
Thanks for your empirical approach to this controv... (show quote)


I read through the autopsy report. Very interesting from a medical point of view. What struck me most was the the extent of his coronary heart disease. From my experience when this occurs to such an extreme extent in a person of Floyd's age who appears so outwardly physically fit, steroid use is a common culprit. Steroid use can also explain away his erratic behavior where he commits violent acts sometimes, and seems like a big "Teddy Bear" at others. We may never know as his body wasn't tested for them. Hopefully something good will come out of this incident, steroids or no steroids. This should serve as a warning to the law enforcement community about the consequences of overstepping their boundaries. To members of the criminal community, this should be a "heads up" about the futility of actively resisting arrest. Though it may seem counter-intuitive, being built like a brick shithouse puts the perp at a greater risk for harm while resisting arrest, than if he were a pencil-necked geek. Chauvin knew how much of a bear of a man he was dealing with, and unfortunately used far more force than needed to "put him down" If, in fact, steroids were in his system, anyone, regardless of race or what side of the law they are on, should think twice. Being big and strong is nice, but their are no trophies or commercial endorsements for having the best physique in the cemetery. Directly or indirectly, steroid use can kill.

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