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Apr 6, 2021 16:33:15   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
mwalsh wrote:
The far right keeps talking about the left treating Floyd as a hero, a role model, and a martyr.

Maybe they are right about the martyr aspect...but I don't even see that. Martyrs are k**led because they stood for something...they are victims. To me Floyd was definitely a victim. His criminal past and imperfections make him no less a victim. He was subdued, had stopped resisting, had been cuffed within minutes of the interaction.

But I really don't remember the left calling him a hero...maybe some did.

To me it is not about him being a hero...he was hardly a role model. But his actions that day were no excuse for his death.

The lead homicide detective, who I believe has been called the highest rank officer on the force and the police chief have both testified that Chauvin broke protocols and stated on the stand that his actions were unjustified and were out of compliance with the department's training.

So the two top cops have thrown Chaucin under the bus for his actions that day.

Floyd's past is irrelevant.
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Agreed, and my spelling of martyr was atrocious

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Apr 6, 2021 16:50:28   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
soba1 wrote:
Agreed, and my spelling of martyr was atrocious


You should be burned at the stake for that!

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Apr 6, 2021 17:46:25   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Shutterbugsailer wrote:
maybe not murder, but definitely manslaughter. He was even meaner than floyd.


Dumber than Floyd as well.

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Apr 6, 2021 18:50:27   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
mwalsh wrote:
You should be burned at the stake for that!


Lol...

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Apr 6, 2021 19:54:27   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
Texcaster wrote:
Dumber than Floyd as well.


10-4 on that. Posing for the camera while you choke the life out of someone is dumber than dumb

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Apr 7, 2021 06:02:45   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Shutterbugsailer to determine if your premise is true, if you are free of drugs and alcohol, we can put you on the pavement and duplicate the knee on the neck and see if you survive. A controlled experiment ... BP, PO2 and such would be recorded over the test period.

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Apr 7, 2021 06:22:01   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
I think there is another way to look at it... from seeing Floyd's movements and behaviours on the videos in the store and his arguing/pleading with the officers as they tried to cuff him and put him into the police vehicle, do you really think he would have been dead (because of the drugs/health issues) within the hour had Chauvin not put his knee on him?

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Apr 7, 2021 07:18:45   #
Rathyatra Loc: Southport, United Kingdom
 
IDguy wrote:
There is no question he was on drugs. But that does not excuse the police officer’s behavior. I don’t see it as a r****t issue. It is a brutal police officer that should have been fired many times before. He is guilty of murder, period.



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Apr 7, 2021 09:12:24   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Thanks for your empirical approach to this controversy. Let us hope the jury in the quest for justice applies the law to the facts and information available to it.

If I understand the policy for controlling and subduing a violent suspect, the knee on the neck existed as part of this process. The police officer applied his knee as necessary for the purpose intended. So, the question arises as a matter of judgment by the officer in using the knee in this case.

We must assume here that the police officer had no intention to k**l Mr. Floyd, only to pacify him. Yet, at some point, Mr. Floyd had been controlled and taken into custody. Handcuffed and face down, Mr. Floyd became essentially helpless and subdued, thus requiring no more force as part of his arrest. The knee on his neck could have been removed earlier.

We must also assume that the ill health of Mr. Floyd and the illicit drugs in his system played a part in his death. Had he not struggled with the police but complied, then most likely he would have survived his arrest.

Let us also bear in mind that Mr. Floyd had committed a crime -- passing a counterfeit $20 bill in a convenience store. Hence, the police had good reason to arrest him and take him into custody for his criminal act. He tempted fate while resisting arrest given his condition.

This citizen observes that nearly all who comment on the untimely death of Mr. Floyd have not read and understood his autopsy. Herewith, his autopsy for perusal: https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf
Shutterbugsailer wrote:
With the high profile G****e F***d murder case almost upon us, battle lines are drawn between both sides of the racial/political divide. To the B*M crowd, and their l*****t supporters, his death is entirely the fault of the r****t white "pig". To those at the other end, Floyd's own actions, along with his underlying medical conditions are to blame, and the officer was simply doing his job. As a physician with over 35 years of practice, and no particular bias in the black vs blue conflict, I feel the t***h lies somewhere in between. What struck me most from the medical standpoint was the degree of c****ary atherosclerosis in someone with such a superb physique and low body fat. From my years of experience as a doctor and gym rat, this points to anabolic steroid use, at some point in his life. From his past history, it is safe to say that he was genetically gifted with extreme athleticism and the ability to build muscles with little effort, due in part to a higher than average testosterone level, which not only enabled muscle building, but overall increased his level of agressiveness. Throw in a shot of "roids" from time to time, and you have the perfect storm for a mean, strong SOB, along with a body that looked magnificent on the outside, but falling apart on the inside, with his cardiovascular health wrecked by a combination of high endogenous testosterone, exogenous steroids, and his unhealth lifestyle of smoking, drinking and street drug use. His erratic disposition is also common in steroid users
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Apr 7, 2021 09:37:07   #
Triple G
 
anotherview wrote:
Thanks for your empirical approach to this controversy. Let us hope the jury in the quest for justice applies the law to the facts and information available to it.

If I understand the policy for controlling and subduing a violent suspect, the knee on the neck existed as part of this process. The police officer applied his knee as necessary for the purpose intended. So, the question arises as a matter of judgment by the officer in using the knee in this case.

We must assume here that the police officer had no intention to k**l Mr. Floyd, only to pacify him. Yet, at some point, Mr. Floyd had been controlled and taken into custody. Handcuffed and face down, Mr. Floyd became essentially helpless and subdued, thus requiring no more force as part of his arrest. The knee on his neck could have been removed earlier.

We must also assume that the ill health of Mr. Floyd and the illicit drugs in his system played a part in his death. Had he not struggled with the police but complied, then most likely he would have survived his arrest.

Let us also bear in mind that Mr. Floyd had committed a crime -- passing a counterfeit $20 bill in a convenience store. Hence, the police had good reason to arrest him and take him into custody for his criminal act. He tempted fate while resisting arrest given his condition.

This citizen observes that nearly all who comment on the untimely death of Mr. Floyd have not read and understood his autopsy. Herewith, his autopsy for perusal: https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf
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Going back to your second paragraph; fellow law enforcement have indicated that proper approved procedures were not followed. Cause of death (murder)lies squarely on that LEO’s shoulders.

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Apr 7, 2021 10:29:22   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
This report soberly examines the issue of police force and the use of the knee on the neck: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/06/minneapolis-derek-chauvin-trial-police-george-floyd

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Apr 7, 2021 10:43:28   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
dpullum wrote:
Shutterbugsailer to determine if your premise is true, if you are free of drugs and alcohol, we can put you on the pavement and duplicate the knee on the neck and see if you survive. A controlled experiment ... BP, PO2 and such would be recorded over the test period.


To really test this, if he survives he should come back under the conditions he suggests and we should try it again.

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Apr 7, 2021 10:45:53   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
anotherview wrote:
Thanks for your empirical approach to this controversy. Let us hope the jury in the quest for justice applies the law to the facts and information available to it.

If I understand the policy for controlling and subduing a violent suspect, the knee on the neck existed as part of this process. The police officer applied his knee as necessary for the purpose intended. So, the question arises as a matter of judgment by the officer in using the knee in this case.

We must assume here that the police officer had no intention to k**l Mr. Floyd, only to pacify him. Yet, at some point, Mr. Floyd had been controlled and taken into custody. Handcuffed and face down, Mr. Floyd became essentially helpless and subdued, thus requiring no more force as part of his arrest. The knee on his neck could have been removed earlier.

We must also assume that the ill health of Mr. Floyd and the illicit drugs in his system played a part in his death. Had he not struggled with the police but complied, then most likely he would have survived his arrest.

Let us also bear in mind that Mr. Floyd had committed a crime -- passing a counterfeit $20 bill in a convenience store. Hence, the police had good reason to arrest him and take him into custody for his criminal act. He tempted fate while resisting arrest given his condition.

This citizen observes that nearly all who comment on the untimely death of Mr. Floyd have not read and understood his autopsy. Herewith, his autopsy for perusal: https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf
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Why must we assume these things? That may be another view, I don't believe it is a reasonable view.

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Apr 7, 2021 10:51:35   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
dpullum wrote:
Shutterbugsailer to determine if your premise is true, if you are free of drugs and alcohol, we can put you on the pavement and duplicate the knee on the neck and see if you survive. A controlled experiment ... BP, PO2 and such would be recorded over the test period.


From what you seem to be implying, you think I am trying to excuse the behavior of that rogue cop. Nothing could be further from the t***h. Let's use this as a hypothetical example. A 17 year old girl is crossing the street while texting her boyfriend, blissfully unaware of surrounding traffic. A drunk driver barrels down the street through two red lights and k**ls her. Her distraction in no ways mitigates his crime, but had she been focused on the street, instead of her smartphone, she would still be alive. In the case of G****e F***d, his death was clearly a criminal act, but had he been healthier, he might still be alive, had he not resisted, he probably would still be alive, and had he not engaged in a life of drug abuse and crime, he definitely would still be alive.

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Apr 7, 2021 10:58:48   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
The trial of Derek Chauvin has been going on for a c**pla weeks or so. The Minneapolis Star Tribune is running a live video of it. Those interested may try the link -

Tiny url. https://tinyurl.com/yj4mc6mh

https://www.startribune.com/watch-live-trial-of-minneapolis-police-officer-derek-chauvin-for-george-floyd-death/600031682/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=talkers

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