larryepage Loc: North Texas area

When I was looking, the skinny was that the Z7 is about 80% of D850 and a Z6 is about 80% of a D750. Neither of the cameras (Z7 or Z6) was presented to me as being intended as a "professional level" camera. And this was by a guy that I've known for quite a while who really wanted to sell me one.

As far as comparing the D850 to the D500, those two cameras are "operational twins," with only the most trivial differences between their capabilities and user interfaces. The D500 is a noticeably faster, more responsive camera, and not just the autofocus. I have found very few comments on UHH that accurately reflect my experience with the D500 because most have never used one, and many who do have one keep it penned in the sports and wildlife corral.

As for the sensors in the two cameras, I have found that the D500 sensor is essentially identical to the cropped portion of the D850 sensor...essentially the same sensitivity, less than 10% difference in pixel count (meaning less than 3% difference in the counts in the rows and columns), slightly less dynamic range. Most complaints about low light performance of the D500 come from folks whose photographic preferences have not specifically required them to learn to manage those situations.

Bill_de Loc: US

How do you do your polling to be able to speak for/about so many people.

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chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA

Uh, ok, do you own these cameras or are you just looking at specs? I *do* and they are totally different animals. My Z6 is sharper and *much* better in low light than my D500, the EVF is a world apart...the LED screens *do* have similarities <shrug>...I wouldn't even start to compare it to the 850, that's more in the Z7's realm and I don't own one.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

I was comparing Z6 to D500 - which is very close according to Photons-to-Photos.

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jeffhacker Loc: Dallas, Texas

I fully agree with you, and for the same reasons.

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OK. Let’s say that one hour’s sleep delay is, in its effect, almost equal to actually disabling sleep. Can you set a full hour ?

This should be subject to FW upgrade as likewise their stoooopid approach to user choice of the APSC crop.

Nevertheless, just the very idea that any maker could write such nonsense into a camera that’s well above novice level is a definite warning to be really wary of their future offerings for a verrrry long time.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

No, actually I am a Pentax user, but the Z6 seems to be a good replacement for the D500 ..... and according to your word, it is even better than it seems. I didn't compare it to a D850, suggesting the Z7 instead.

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

I'm not claiming to speak for anyone else...just recounting my experience at an authorized Nikon reseller...and my experience measured against many, many comments made about the D500 on this forum.

I offered no conclusions in my post.

AND...as far as I can recall, I have not ever "told" anyone, here or elsewhere what camera to purchase. Unlike many here, I do not enter discussions around any camera with which I do not have at least some personal experience. I do not comment based on manufacturers' literature or postings, because I have found some of that literature, even dealing with equipment which I have eventually purchased, to be very misleading. Like probably 99% or more of folks here, I have no personal stake in any camera that any person decides to buy or not buy. But I am willing to discuss decisions that I have made and my reasons for making those decisions. In the end, it is up to the other adult members here to make their own choices.

Keep in mind that agreement and consensus, even among the best minds, is no guarantee of correctness. For hundreds of years, the consensus among the greatest minds was that the earth was flat and that the rest of the universe revolved around it. Galileo found out how powerful that consensus was when he shared what he had learned by observing through his telescope, but even persecuting and excommunicating the scientist did not make the consensus correct.

The hysteria here around the Z7 and its brothers (or sisters) is exactly the same as the hysteria that was around the D850 and the D500. I wasn't a member, but am willing to bet that there was also an identical hysteria around the D810 and probably the D800 and the D750. What was it like when the D800E replaced the D800 and didn't have an anti-aliasing filter? It's just not constructive to spend so much energy worrying about gnats' eyelashes.

The thing that I don't have much tolerance for is repeated spread of "lore" and bad information. I will defend against that pretty vigorously to the extent I know that error is being propagated. I will also commit to being corrected when I learn that I am wrong about something (like the imagined earth-ending impact of eliminating the pop-up flash or changing from magnesium alloy to carbon fiber).

jeffhacker Loc: Dallas, Texas

I've owned both (recently sold my D500 and now using only the Z6 (with the f/4 24-70 kit lens, an FTZ adapter, a F mount f/1.4 50 mm prime and a f/3.5-5.6 18-300 mm (the latter two are DX mounts from my old D500. I'm finding I prefer the Z6 to my D500 due to weight, and also prefer it to my Sony A 6500 because I prefer the menus and the color (but I recognize both are subjective. I have no idea about the other major mirrorless, the Canons, but I think from what I have read and been told that the Nikons are doing quite well in the marketplace.

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Polling numerous Hogsters, without even asking their consent, is soooper easy. No need to design a survey or a ballot when your statistical subjects vociferously and consistently spout their opinions at every real or imagined provocation.

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The voice in the wilderness.

chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA

...maybe so, but I've definitely found a niche for my D500; daylight sports (I just don't like the D500's noise, ever! But, then, I'm used to the D5, go figger...). Even though the Z6, through the last firmware update, can hang, focus wise and I can get good "fast mover" shots with it, I still defer to the D500 and my D5. The Z6 is just an excellent all-around camera and if it was all I had, with nothing to compare it to, I'd be a pretty dang happy camper. YMMV...

Bill_de Loc: US

When you use terms like "most People" you are not referring to yourself. You just comment on what you assume most people think or do. With that in mind, reread your post that I originally replied to. Maybe you'll see what I mean. In the scheme of things none of us should be assuming what most people do.

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Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC

You are looking at dynamic range not dynamic resolution, in dynamic range they are only 4MP apart. However you are still comparing a FF camera to a DX camera. ISO capabilities are on the side of the FF camera, so is dynamic range. Luminosity is greater on the FF camera as well.

Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC

So what camera manufacturer do you support that is flawless?