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Jun 27, 2020 15:08:23   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
riderxlx wrote:
Oh My God Dennis;
I would not have thought that at this posting, now 7 pages of mostly pissing contests among the members. Of course I have not read them all and will not. But as soon as some one alludes a political view the shit starts flying. So sad too.
All you did that I see is just post an offering of good information from a good source. PERIOD.
You offered a first hand view from some one who knows, and me, I just retired from working in Hospitals and clinics. I saw this daily. It is real and not something anyone wants to be at.
I am surprised this has not been moved to the attic and really should be be.
Thank you for posting this. It should be a wake up call to everyone. I am not and will not take sides on these issues.
I respect and honor all persons rights. Wearing a mask is your choice. Using your God given brain in any circumstance is all of our calls to educate ourselves and just BE SAFE. PERIOD.
So, why do we start pissing on each other instead of appreciating and acknowledging a post just sharing information as a good faith offering.
Ok, my soap box is breaking down.
Peace out hoggers.
bruce
Oh My God Dennis; br I would not have thought that... (show quote)


My friend you have that all figured out correctly. It is a shame that others whine and cry over something that was meant to be helpful.

Thank you,

Dennis

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Jun 27, 2020 15:10:42   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
williejoha wrote:
Well, some people appreciate all the info they can get. Thanks for posting it. As for the likes of rmorrison1116, they are like the dead who do not know they are dead. The same is true with dumb Idiots.
WJH




Dennis

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Jun 27, 2020 15:15:31   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
dennis2146 wrote:
My friend you have that all figured out correctly. It is a shame that others whine and cry over something that was meant to be helpful.

Thank you,

Dennis


Thank you brother, God bless you can see, the litter box has been sired up, again.
Thank you again for your post. It is meaningful.
bruce

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Jun 27, 2020 15:21:46   #
wasatch Loc: Salt Lake City, UT
 
Three years ago my 23 year old son came down with sepsis. In the emergency room they gave him large doses of penicillin. He had been given penicillin in the past but perhaps from the large doses he went into anaphyletic (sp?) shock. To make the story short, he was in the hospital for a month. Two weeks on a ventilator and other machines keeping him alive. Almost every organ in his body shutdown. We were extremely blessed in that he survived. His kidneys started working again. He had two weeks of physical therapy to overcome the problems of having been on the ventilator. He still has PTSD from the experience every year.

Having gone through that as a parent, I shudder to think what a family member would go through not being able to be there with a child or parent when they go through this.

Please don't make light of the experience or the seriousness of Covid. I pray I never get it.

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Jun 27, 2020 15:25:02   #
NewBEE161 Loc: Olney, Maryland
 
Thank you, Sir.

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Jun 27, 2020 15:26:11   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
wasatch wrote:
Three years ago my 23 year old son came down with sepsis. In the emergency room they gave him large doses of penicillin. He had been given penicillin in the past but perhaps from the large doses he went into anaphyletic (sp?) shock. To make the story short, he was in the hospital for a month. Two weeks on a ventilator and other machines keeping him alive. Almost every organ in his body shutdown. We were extremely blessed in that he survived. His kidneys started working again. He had two weeks of physical therapy to overcome the problems of having been on the ventilator. He still has PTSD from the experience every year.

Having gone through that as a parent, I shudder to think what a family member would go through not being able to be there with a child or parent when they go through this.

Please don't make light of the experience or the seriousness of Covid. I pray I never get it.
Three years ago my 23 year old son came down with ... (show quote)


God has blessed you brother. You have your son. Our health care system does the best it can and your son is a blessing. We take too much for granted and a life saved is a life blessed to all the family.

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Jun 27, 2020 16:03:06   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Sent to me by a friend:

Dennis


Yikes! My friend sent this from a co-worker. I don’t know how true it is but his wife is a nurse at Cedars. And my sister, who is a retired nurse practitioner, agrees with this.

From a source . . .

Not to scare you/ but allows u to see the other side of going out unmasked/without a shield:

Here you go folks... for those people who don't understand what it means to be on a ventilator but want to take the chance of going out without a mask...

For starters, it's NOT an oxygen mask put over the mouth while the patient is comfortably lying down and reading magazines. Ventilation for Covid-19 is a painful intubation that goes down your throat and stays there until you live or you die.

It is done under anesthesia for 2 to 3 weeks without moving, often upside down, with a tube inserted from the mouth up to the trachea and allows you to breathe to the rhythm of the lung machine. The patient can't talk or eat, or do anything naturally - the machine keeps you alive.

The discomfort and pain they feel from this means medical experts have to administer sedatives and painkillers to ensure tube tolerance for as long as the machine is needed. It's like being in an artificial coma.

After 20 days from this treatment, a young patient loses 40% muscle mass, and gets mouth or vocal cords trauma, as well as possible pulmonary or heart complications.

It is for this reason that old or already weak people can't withstand the treatment and die. Many of us are in this boat ... so stay safe unless you want to take the chance of ending up here. This is NOT the flu.

Add a tube into your stomach, either through your nose or skin for liquid food, a sticky bag around your butt to collect the diarrhea, a foley catheter to collect urine, an IV for fluids and meds, an A-line f to monitor your BP that is completely dependent upon finely calculated med doses, teams of nurses, CRNA’s and MA’s to reposition your limbs every two hours and lying on a mat that circulates ice cold fluid to help bring down your 104 degree temp.

-Anyone want to try all that out? Stay home and wear a mask when you go out! Stay safe and well!-

What this article doesn't say, is that the patient can hear everything that is said so if the staff carelessly talks about death, the patient panics. If the sedatives are lessened, the patient panics because he can't breath or talk or, in his case, move. When they begin to lower the pain medications, the patient screams in his head but can't make a sound. When they take out the tubes it's extremely uncomfortable. A trachea may replace the respirator, the patient still can't talk or eat without a tube.

Your child, your spouse, your parent, suffers from covid 19 alone in the hospital. The victims are not limited to strangers. When you choose to crowd, unmasked, into newly opened stores for some irrelevant purchase, ask yourself if it's worth a lifetime of knowing your child suffered, maybe died, alone.
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Thanks for the post dennis2146.
Much appreciated. I had no idea.

Marion

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Jun 27, 2020 16:05:39   #
phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York
 
wasatch wrote:
Three years ago my 23 year old son came down with sepsis. In the emergency room they gave him large doses of penicillin. He had been given penicillin in the past but perhaps from the large doses he went into anaphyletic (sp?) shock. To make the story short, he was in the hospital for a month. Two weeks on a ventilator and other machines keeping him alive. Almost every organ in his body shutdown. We were extremely blessed in that he survived. His kidneys started working again. He had two weeks of physical therapy to overcome the problems of having been on the ventilator. He still has PTSD from the experience every year.

Having gone through that as a parent, I shudder to think what a family member would go through not being able to be there with a child or parent when they go through this.

Please don't make light of the experience or the seriousness of Covid. I pray I never get it.
Three years ago my 23 year old son came down with ... (show quote)



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Jun 27, 2020 16:12:12   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Marionsho wrote:
Thanks for the post dennis2146.
Much appreciated. I had no idea.

Marion


Thank you for the comment. I had no idea either and I mean NONE. That is why I posted it. How it ever became something of a political post is far beyond my comprehension. But then again I try to stick with common sense.

Dennis

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Jun 27, 2020 16:14:37   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
riderxlx wrote:
Thank you brother, God bless you can see, the litter box has been sired up, again.
Thank you again for your post. It is meaningful.
bruce


I would say stirred up is about as true as a litter box can be stirred up even by a herd of cats or as my son used to say, a flock of turtles. Nonetheless I think common sense is starting to return to this thread.

Thank you for your comment my friend. It means much to me.

Dennis

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Jun 27, 2020 16:17:13   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
wasatch wrote:
Three years ago my 23 year old son came down with sepsis. In the emergency room they gave him large doses of penicillin. He had been given penicillin in the past but perhaps from the large doses he went into anaphyletic (sp?) shock. To make the story short, he was in the hospital for a month. Two weeks on a ventilator and other machines keeping him alive. Almost every organ in his body shutdown. We were extremely blessed in that he survived. His kidneys started working again. He had two weeks of physical therapy to overcome the problems of having been on the ventilator. He still has PTSD from the experience every year.

Having gone through that as a parent, I shudder to think what a family member would go through not being able to be there with a child or parent when they go through this.

Please don't make light of the experience or the seriousness of Covid. I pray I never get it.
Three years ago my 23 year old son came down with ... (show quote)


I thank God your son came through his ordeal and is well except for the PTSD. God truly is great.

I see you are in SLC. I pass through there several times a year on the way from Southern CA to Idaho Falls where I live. You live in a beautiful state.

My best to your family,

Dennis

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Jun 27, 2020 16:19:07   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I would say stirred up is about as true as a litter box can be stirred up even by a herd of cats or as my son used to say, a flock of turtles. Nonetheless I think common sense is starting to return to this thread.

Thank you for your comment my friend. It means much to me.

Dennis


You made my day brother.
Yea it is a mess.

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Jun 27, 2020 16:36:44   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
wasatch wrote:
Three years ago my 23 year old son came down with sepsis. In the emergency room they gave him large doses of penicillin. He had been given penicillin in the past but perhaps from the large doses he went into anaphyletic (sp?) shock. To make the story short, he was in the hospital for a month. Two weeks on a ventilator and other machines keeping him alive. Almost every organ in his body shutdown. We were extremely blessed in that he survived. His kidneys started working again. He had two weeks of physical therapy to overcome the problems of having been on the ventilator. He still has PTSD from the experience every year.

Having gone through that as a parent, I shudder to think what a family member would go through not being able to be there with a child or parent when they go through this.

Please don't make light of the experience or the seriousness of Covid. I pray I never get it.
Three years ago my 23 year old son came down with ... (show quote)

I’m glad that your son has made it. I include ‘ventilation’ in the same “heroic” category that includes CPR - better to have than to not have, but something that one would never desire.

Apparently until recently, the patient just lay in place until he made it, or did not make it. When CNN ‘Anchor’ Chris Cuomo had Covid-19, he reported that he had received a call from a physician who told him that he should change positions occasionally; apparently that understanding of this virus was slowly penetrating through the medical community, which is why the description includes rotating the person occasionally, something which was probably not done in your son’s case.

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Jun 27, 2020 17:03:38   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
I feel bad about adding to this horror. But here goes. I haven't repeated this to anyone since I heard it about two months ago. A friend told me one of his brothers was on a ventilator because of Covid and they couldn't remove it because the tissue had swollen around it so much. Very sad.

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Jun 27, 2020 17:09:08   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Fotoartist wrote:
I feel bad about adding to this horror. But here goes. I haven't repeated this to anyone since I heard it about two months ago. A friend told me one of his brothers was on a ventilator because of Covid and they couldn't remove it because the tissue had swollen around it so much. Very sad.

Yes, it is much easier to go on a ventilator than to be taken off it. At minimum, getting off requires “weaning” - learning again to do without it.

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