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Jun 27, 2020 13:43:17   #
alliebess Loc: suburban Philadelphia
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
You need to be informed, and you need to learn some empathy for the 125,000 that have died, and the unknown future innocents that will suffer, and die.
Good Lord, be kinder.



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Jun 27, 2020 13:43:23   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
CWGordon wrote:
Although often labeled a liberal i have always thought of myself as a centrist/moderate. Regardless of ideology, Dennis just provided ALL of us some knowledge. I had no idea how horrible intubation is. I thank him for sharing the information. It was put forth in a straightforward non political manner. I think that it is interesting to see how those who resist mask-wearing are willing to condemn science or knowledge in whichever form it might be conveyed. Dennis told us something important. It was well-meaning and intended to save us from getting ill or dieing out of sheer ignorance. He took a fair amount of time in an effort to help others. He did this not caring whether we are Republicans or Democrats, liberals or conservatives. Maybe he got through to one or two of us. Maybe he even saved a life. We should ALL be appreciative of his effort. My guess is that most who read his comments learned and appreciated the information provided. It is unfortunate that some among us have missed his point.
Dennis: thanks for the info
Although often labeled a liberal i have always tho... (show quote)


My friend I don't know if I deserve that high praise but it is much appreciated. Thank you. I simply posted something someone had sent to me.

Thank you also for recognizing that my post was not meant to be political at all, just informative. I had no idea what a ventilator did/was myself. I thought more of a oxygen chamber around the patient's bed, something of that sort. I can't even explain why Admin moved the post from General Chit Chat to The Attic. This is not political at all. But of course some people feel the need to politicize everything I guess.

Thanks again,

Dennis

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Jun 27, 2020 13:44:27   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
amyinsparta wrote:
Allow me to educate you. When YOU wear a mask, I am protected from your germs. When I wear a mask, YOU are protected from my germs. See, you dont know where I have been and I dont know where you have been. And this scenario plays out with every other person you and I come into contact with. Now, it seems obvious that you dont give a whit if you infect others nor how many you infect if you get the virus. I just hope that if YOU contract the virus, you realize that it was caused by your own stupidity. But I wont stay up waiting for that to happen.
Allow me to educate you. When YOU wear a mask, I ... (show quote)


Thank you Amy for telling all of us AGAIN what we have pretty much known for weeks now. Much appreciated my friend.

Dennis

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Jun 27, 2020 13:48:25   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Sent to me by a friend:

Dennis


Yikes! My friend sent this from a co-worker. I don’t know how true it is but his wife is a nurse at Cedars. And my sister, who is a retired nurse practitioner, agrees with this.

From a source . . .

Not to scare you/ but allows u to see the other side of going out unmasked/without a shield:

Here you go folks... for those people who don't understand what it means to be on a ventilator but want to take the chance of going out without a mask...

For starters, it's NOT an oxygen mask put over the mouth while the patient is comfortably lying down and reading magazines. Ventilation for Covid-19 is a painful intubation that goes down your throat and stays there until you live or you die.

It is done under anesthesia for 2 to 3 weeks without moving, often upside down, with a tube inserted from the mouth up to the trachea and allows you to breathe to the rhythm of the lung machine. The patient can't talk or eat, or do anything naturally - the machine keeps you alive.

The discomfort and pain they feel from this means medical experts have to administer sedatives and painkillers to ensure tube tolerance for as long as the machine is needed. It's like being in an artificial coma.

After 20 days from this treatment, a young patient loses 40% muscle mass, and gets mouth or vocal cords trauma, as well as possible pulmonary or heart complications.

It is for this reason that old or already weak people can't withstand the treatment and die. Many of us are in this boat ... so stay safe unless you want to take the chance of ending up here. This is NOT the flu.

Add a tube into your stomach, either through your nose or skin for liquid food, a sticky bag around your butt to collect the diarrhea, a foley catheter to collect urine, an IV for fluids and meds, an A-line f to monitor your BP that is completely dependent upon finely calculated med doses, teams of nurses, CRNA’s and MA’s to reposition your limbs every two hours and lying on a mat that circulates ice cold fluid to help bring down your 104 degree temp.

-Anyone want to try all that out? Stay home and wear a mask when you go out! Stay safe and well!-

What this article doesn't say, is that the patient can hear everything that is said so if the staff carelessly talks about death, the patient panics. If the sedatives are lessened, the patient panics because he can't breath or talk or, in his case, move. When they begin to lower the pain medications, the patient screams in his head but can't make a sound. When they take out the tubes it's extremely uncomfortable. A trachea may replace the respirator, the patient still can't talk or eat without a tube.

Your child, your spouse, your parent, suffers from covid 19 alone in the hospital. The victims are not limited to strangers. When you choose to crowd, unmasked, into newly opened stores for some irrelevant purchase, ask yourself if it's worth a lifetime of knowing your child suffered, maybe died, alone.
Sent to me by a friend: br br Dennis br br br Y... (show quote)


Oh My God Dennis;
I would not have thought that at this posting, now 7 pages of mostly pissing contests among the members. Of course I have not read them all and will not. But as soon as some one alludes a political view the shit starts flying. So sad too.
All you did that I see is just post an offering of good information from a good source. PERIOD.
You offered a first hand view from some one who knows, and me, I just retired from working in Hospitals and clinics. I saw this daily. It is real and not something anyone wants to be at.
I am surprised this has not been moved to the attic and really should be be.
Thank you for posting this. It should be a wake up call to everyone. I am not and will not take sides on these issues.
I respect and honor all persons rights. Wearing a mask is your choice. Using your God given brain in any circumstance is all of our calls to educate ourselves and just BE SAFE. PERIOD.
So, why do we start pissing on each other instead of appreciating and acknowledging a post just sharing information as a good faith offering.
Ok, my soap box is breaking down.
Peace out hoggers.
bruce

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Jun 27, 2020 13:56:32   #
bcplimpton Loc: Southern New Jersey
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Ah yes, just what we all need, more covid19 doom and gloom. I'm guessing you're one of those folks who puts on the face mask before leaving the house, wears it in the car, and doesn't take it off until safely back in your bleach sented home.


Please, smart ass, continue to go out unprotected. We don't want your vote in November.

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Jun 27, 2020 14:03:15   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
bcplimpton wrote:
Please, smart ass, continue to go out unprotected. We don't want your vote in November.


Here's a mask analogy that he may understand...



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Jun 27, 2020 14:03:52   #
Charlie157 Loc: San Diego, CA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Actually it does kill people.
I have a technician who works at Walmart part time.
He had a stock person die and the determining cause of death was the mask because he could not get enough fresh air.
This is not some third party internet rumor but from the person who found the dead body in the back area.
So yes, masks will kill you.


If that is correct, because of the current problem, you would see that happening frequently due to the amount of people wearing masks including people who have breathing problems, like COPD. You would also see nurses and Doctors passing out because they wear masks for prolong periods of time. It's not the lack of fresh air that kills you, it's the lack of oxygen. Remember photos of people jogging in the smog in LA.

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Jun 27, 2020 14:17:03   #
gpc
 
Mask? I don't need no stinking mask.

Give me liberty and give you death.

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Jun 27, 2020 14:30:30   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
rehess wrote:
So, WHO is OK when they fit Conservative ideology?

CDC agrees with my ruby-red state reports.

I am deadly serious, and I do not ‘do’ drugs


WHO has never fit "conservative philosophy" that I am aware of.

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Jun 27, 2020 14:34:39   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
WHO has never fit "conservative philosophy" that I am aware of.

The Cheney family embodies Conservatism.
Dick Cheney was photographed by his daughter wearing a mask.

Normally someone who follows Mr. Trump would not accept the WHO as some kind of authority, would not quote them as knowing anything about anything.
Mr Trump seems to be amongst those who never has anything nice to say about WHO - it was good to hear you use them as a reference, which must mean that you do see a purpose to their existing.
People - like you - who seem to follow Mr. Trump - tend to view those who disagree with them as "Liberals";
since "Liberal" is the opposite of "Conservative", that would make them, themselves, "Conservatives", and a reference for them {WHO in this case} "Conservative" also.

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Jun 27, 2020 14:39:50   #
phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York
 
tomad wrote:
Here's a mask analogy that he may understand...



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Jun 27, 2020 14:42:41   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
bcplimpton wrote:
Please, smart ass, continue to go out unprotected. We don't want your vote in November.


See, this is kind of crap I am talking about. Oh, incidental, I am voting for Trump. So take this and smoke baby.

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Jun 27, 2020 14:47:08   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Are you opposed to wearing a face mask? I saw people at a hearing in another state giving their reasons why no one should wear a mask.

"It interferes with the beautiful breathing system that God has given us."

"Wearing a mask kills people."

It's hard to argue with reasoning like that.

It is always possible to find an example (or myth or fake news) that supports one's preconceived notions...

bwa

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Jun 27, 2020 14:54:55   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
nervous2 wrote:


Gracias amigo.

Dennis

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Jun 27, 2020 15:02:31   #
williejoha
 
Well, some people appreciate all the info they can get. Thanks for posting it. As for the likes of rmorrison1116, they are like the dead who do not know they are dead. The same is true with dumb Idiots.
WJH

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