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Jun 27, 2020 17:54:55   #
Murray Loc: New Westminster
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Ah yes, just what we all need, more covid19 doom and gloom. I'm guessing you're one of those folks who puts on the face mask before leaving the house, wears it in the car, and doesn't take it off until safely back in your bleach sented home.


Stupid response. I guess you don’t care about the dead. Sheer genius - congratulations!

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Jun 27, 2020 18:17:15   #
KBgolf
 
Digit -up is right, has you defined perfectly.

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Jun 27, 2020 18:22:09   #
KBgolf
 
👍👍👍👍

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Jun 27, 2020 18:53:40   #
cameranut Loc: North Carolina
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I've been misspelling a lot lately. For some unknown reason my spellcheck has stopped working.

By the way, for all you haters out there, I wear the required mask when entering stores. I wash my hands when I get home. I have hand sanitizer in the car and I use it when ever I've been in a store. And, several years ago I suffered a stroke and I know what it's like to be ventilated and I spent a week in the ICU.


Since that was the case, it seems like you would have been a bit more in tune and empathetic to his original post, which was just trying to shed some light on a serious situation. I can't think of anyone I hate.

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Jun 27, 2020 19:32:34   #
cameranut Loc: North Carolina
 
tomad wrote:
Did you guys know the FDA just approved a drug that reduces your chance of getting COVID-19 by 5X? It’s trade name is called Wearamaskasshole. Side effects include mild inconvenience, possible victim complex, fear of people thinking you are a sheeple, being ostracized by your anti-vax plandemic bros, and the power to stop your own asymptomatic transmission as this country stubbornly dives right on into that second wave.

Check with your doctor, or really anyone, to see if Wearamaskasshole is right for you.
Did you guys know the FDA just approved a drug tha... (show quote)



The worst I've had them do is fog up my glasses when I exhale. Small inconvenience.
Hmmmmm- what happened to the "first wave"?

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Jun 27, 2020 19:41:14   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
cameranut wrote:
Hmmmmm- what happened to the "first wave"?

We're still in the first wave. However the curve in many areas is no longer flat.
Largely due to young folks disregarding mask and distancing advice, particularly in bars.

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Jun 27, 2020 19:57:18   #
cameranut Loc: North Carolina
 
David Martin wrote:
We're still in the first wave. However the curve in many areas is no longer flat.
Largely due to young folks disregarding mask and distancing advice, particularly in bars.


Today is the first day I have felt safe going in a grocery store. No one was admitted in unless wearing a mask. It is supposed to be mandatory in the state of NC but some are refusing to enforce this.
Every time I looked at those graphs, it resembled a squiggly line going up a steep mountain. I never saw it flattened for NC.

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Jun 27, 2020 20:51:14   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
digit-up wrote:
YUP!!! I would bet that he IS ONE that is that SMART. You go right ahead and live your WAY, even though you would put others at risk. It’s frequently fools like you that will contaminate others...............................RJM



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Jun 27, 2020 20:54:25   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Actually you are 100% wrong in your assessment of what I do. There was no doom and gloom in the message. It was for information. Until this morning I had no idea what a ventilator actually did or how it was used. It opened my eyes and my purpose for posting was to simply open the eyes of others who did not know either.

Again, I don't do many things I should be doing to stop the spread of the virus. Yet as a Liberal you take the Liberal way of putting me down for simply offering information. Aren't you special little sweetheart...

I see you live just up the road from me. Maybe you are unaware that San Luis Obispo, your county, Santa Barbara and Ventura counties just had a spike in virus cases. I can't help but wonder if it is you who has spread some of the virus germs around due to your nonchalance regarding the virus.

Dennis
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Jun 27, 2020 21:27:31   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
cameranut wrote:
Today is the first day I have felt safe going in a grocery store. No one was admitted in unless wearing a mask. It is supposed to be mandatory in the state of NC but some are refusing to enforce this.
Every time I looked at those graphs, it resembled a squiggly line going up a steep mountain. I never saw it flattened for NC.

Originally I had planned to record our number of cases each day, so I could calculate the increase each day, but since we were originally told that our goal was to get the "New Admissions to the Hospital" curve down, and the state does provide a "hospitalizations" number, so I just look at hospitalizations. In recent months, the total is usually flat or down {someone would have to 'play' with the numbers to give exactly the same number each day}, so I am pleased. At 72, I am now used to separation. Indiana has now reached the point where we don't have any limitation over where I can drive (*), so practical limitations don't really bother me very much.

(*) When we started in March, I was supposed to be in a car only for an "essential" {i.e., permitted} reason, so I would toss my camera in the car every week when we went shopping. Local stores ask you be in them only if you have a reason to, so I had a perfectly good reason just to wander around with it while my wife shopped; now, all travel is permitted, so I can take my camera for drives without a "reason".



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Jun 27, 2020 22:11:44   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Sent to me by a friend:

Dennis


Yikes! My friend sent this from a co-worker. I don’t know how true it is but his wife is a nurse at Cedars. And my sister, who is a retired nurse practitioner, agrees with this.

From a source . . .

Not to scare you/ but allows u to see the other side of going out unmasked/without a shield:

Here you go folks... for those people who don't understand what it means to be on a ventilator but want to take the chance of going out without a mask...

For starters, it's NOT an oxygen mask put over the mouth while the patient is comfortably lying down and reading magazines. Ventilation for Covid-19 is a painful intubation that goes down your throat and stays there until you live or you die.

It is done under anesthesia for 2 to 3 weeks without moving, often upside down, with a tube inserted from the mouth up to the trachea and allows you to breathe to the rhythm of the lung machine. The patient can't talk or eat, or do anything naturally - the machine keeps you alive.

The discomfort and pain they feel from this means medical experts have to administer sedatives and painkillers to ensure tube tolerance for as long as the machine is needed. It's like being in an artificial coma.

After 20 days from this treatment, a young patient loses 40% muscle mass, and gets mouth or vocal cords trauma, as well as possible pulmonary or heart complications.

It is for this reason that old or already weak people can't withstand the treatment and die. Many of us are in this boat ... so stay safe unless you want to take the chance of ending up here. This is NOT the flu.

Add a tube into your stomach, either through your nose or skin for liquid food, a sticky bag around your butt to collect the diarrhea, a foley catheter to collect urine, an IV for fluids and meds, an A-line f to monitor your BP that is completely dependent upon finely calculated med doses, teams of nurses, CRNA’s and MA’s to reposition your limbs every two hours and lying on a mat that circulates ice cold fluid to help bring down your 104 degree temp.

-Anyone want to try all that out? Stay home and wear a mask when you go out! Stay safe and well!-

What this article doesn't say, is that the patient can hear everything that is said so if the staff carelessly talks about death, the patient panics. If the sedatives are lessened, the patient panics because he can't breath or talk or, in his case, move. When they begin to lower the pain medications, the patient screams in his head but can't make a sound. When they take out the tubes it's extremely uncomfortable. A trachea may replace the respirator, the patient still can't talk or eat without a tube.

Your child, your spouse, your parent, suffers from covid 19 alone in the hospital. The victims are not limited to strangers. When you choose to crowd, unmasked, into newly opened stores for some irrelevant purchase, ask yourself if it's worth a lifetime of knowing your child suffered, maybe died, alone.
Sent to me by a friend: br br Dennis br br br Y... (show quote)


That is an important public service announcement Dennis. Thank you for sharing it.

👋👋👋
Ken

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Jun 27, 2020 22:21:42   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I've been misspelling a lot lately. For some unknown reason my spellcheck has stopped working.

By the way, for all you haters out there, I wear the required mask when entering stores. I wash my hands when I get home. I have hand sanitizer in the car and I use it when ever I've been in a store. And, several years ago I suffered a stroke and I know what it's like to be ventilated and I spent a week in the ICU.


I’ll put my waders on before reading any more your boorish self-promotion.
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Jun 28, 2020 00:45:35   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Sent to me by a friend:

Dennis


Yikes! My friend sent this from a co-worker. I don’t know how true it is but his wife is a nurse at Cedars. And my sister, who is a retired nurse practitioner, agrees with this.

From a source . . .

Not to scare you/ but allows u to see the other side of going out unmasked/without a shield:

Here you go folks... for those people who don't understand what it means to be on a ventilator but want to take the chance of going out without a mask...

For starters, it's NOT an oxygen mask put over the mouth while the patient is comfortably lying down and reading magazines. Ventilation for Covid-19 is a painful intubation that goes down your throat and stays there until you live or you die.

It is done under anesthesia for 2 to 3 weeks without moving, often upside down, with a tube inserted from the mouth up to the trachea and allows you to breathe to the rhythm of the lung machine. The patient can't talk or eat, or do anything naturally - the machine keeps you alive.

The discomfort and pain they feel from this means medical experts have to administer sedatives and painkillers to ensure tube tolerance for as long as the machine is needed. It's like being in an artificial coma.

After 20 days from this treatment, a young patient loses 40% muscle mass, and gets mouth or vocal cords trauma, as well as possible pulmonary or heart complications.

It is for this reason that old or already weak people can't withstand the treatment and die. Many of us are in this boat ... so stay safe unless you want to take the chance of ending up here. This is NOT the flu.

Add a tube into your stomach, either through your nose or skin for liquid food, a sticky bag around your butt to collect the diarrhea, a foley catheter to collect urine, an IV for fluids and meds, an A-line f to monitor your BP that is completely dependent upon finely calculated med doses, teams of nurses, CRNA’s and MA’s to reposition your limbs every two hours and lying on a mat that circulates ice cold fluid to help bring down your 104 degree temp.

-Anyone want to try all that out? Stay home and wear a mask when you go out! Stay safe and well!-

What this article doesn't say, is that the patient can hear everything that is said so if the staff carelessly talks about death, the patient panics. If the sedatives are lessened, the patient panics because he can't breath or talk or, in his case, move. When they begin to lower the pain medications, the patient screams in his head but can't make a sound. When they take out the tubes it's extremely uncomfortable. A trachea may replace the respirator, the patient still can't talk or eat without a tube.

Your child, your spouse, your parent, suffers from covid 19 alone in the hospital. The victims are not limited to strangers. When you choose to crowd, unmasked, into newly opened stores for some irrelevant purchase, ask yourself if it's worth a lifetime of knowing your child suffered, maybe died, alone.
Sent to me by a friend: br br Dennis br br br Y... (show quote)


Thanks for the post Dennis. Saw it posted on FB last week. Very alarming. Until then I thought a ventilator was like an oxygen mask. Everyone needs to read this and realize how serious this can be. I have four friends who were on ventilators. One is not coming home. The other three are home with serious health problems remaining. Thanks again.

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Jun 28, 2020 09:55:34   #
Rathyatra Loc: Southport, United Kingdom
 
Frightening - I understand how important it is to follow the safety guidelines but on the mask question our medical experts in the UK say the mask only prevents you passing on Covid to other people if you happen to be carrying the virus but provides NO protection at all for the wearer as it will not prevent the virus from an infected person passing on to the mask wearer.

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Jun 28, 2020 10:15:17   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Rathyatra wrote:
Frightening - I understand how important it is to follow the safety guidelines but on the mask question our medical experts in the UK say the mask only prevents you passing on Covid to other people if you happen to be carrying the virus but provides NO protection at all for the wearer as it will not prevent the virus from an infected person passing on to the mask wearer.


With all due respect that does not make sense to me. IF my mask stops whatever germs from my nose and mouth getting to you then why would my mask not stop whatever germs from your nose and mouth from getting to me? Of course that is only discussing the mask.

Obviously if I sneeze or cough and then rub my face with my hand and then touch a door knob to a public door knob or other widely touched item of course the virus can be spread provided I have the virus.

Otherwise I am not understanding how the mask won't stop both outgoing and incoming virus germs.

Thank you for your comment,

Dennis

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