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Nov 24, 2019 14:54:43   #
drivered Loc: Capital District, NY
 
I still do and also a full frame :o))

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Nov 24, 2019 15:09:19   #
Steve758
 
I've always found that reading about a subject and getting a through knowledge is far more beneficial than asking and getting mis-lead by those who really don't have a clue.
After all, Macro photography is all about DOF. The better the DOF the less photo's that are required.
Take a read.

"For Cameras that can only focus on one object distance at a time, Depth of field is the distance between the nearest and the farthest objects that are in acceptably sharp focus.[1] "Acceptably sharp focus" is defined using a property called the circle of confusion.

The depth of field can be determined by focal length, distance to subject, the acceptable circle of confusion size, and aperture.

As distance or the size of the acceptable circle of confusion increases, the depth of field increases; however, increasing the size of the aperture or increasing the focal length reduces the depth of field. Depth of Field changes linearly with F-number and circle of confusion, but changes in proportional to the square of the focal length and the distance to the subject. As a result, photos taken at extremely close range have a proportionally much smaller depth of field.

Sensor size affects DOF only in that changing the sensor size on a camera requires changing the focal length to get the same picture. It is the change in focal length that then affects the DOF."

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Nov 24, 2019 15:40:39   #
ecar Loc: Oregon, USA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Diligence is the mother of good luck. Having a cropped-sensor camera is like dating your cousin.


Come now, they're not that bad!

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Nov 24, 2019 16:03:40   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
nadelewitz wrote:
Well, CHG-CANON, another obnoxious offensive comment on crop-sensor users. You don't learn, do you?


Mr. Nadelewitz, I believe you’re misinterpreting Paul’s pithy comments. It’s humor, not an offensive comment - perhaps reconsider and dial it back a bit (please)?

Regards.

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Nov 24, 2019 17:07:09   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
Steve758 wrote:
I've always found that reading about a subject and getting a through knowledge is far more beneficial than asking and getting mis-lead by those who really don't have a clue.


Maybe, but it depends upon what you read and who it's written by?

Steve758 wrote:
After all, Macro photography is all about DOF. The better the DOF the less photo's that are required.


I would suggest this is a totally misleading and incorrect statement, a good example of your first paragraph.

Macro photography is not just about DOF as with most other genres of photography. A critter/bug in a well framed dramatic pose where only the eyes/mouth are in sharp focus can give the viewer far more impact than a poorly framed, uninteresting pose that's all in focus. This can also be true for such subjects as flowers as well.

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Nov 24, 2019 17:33:42   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
TriX wrote:
Mr. Nadelewitz, I believe you’re misinterpreting Paul’s pithy comments. It’s humor, not an offensive comment - perhaps reconsider and dial it back a bit (please)?

Regards.


Constant pithy comments reach a point of offensive boorishness eventually. CHG_CANON reached that point well before this, and doesn't seem to care.

On that note, I'm off this discussion.

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Nov 24, 2019 17:36:49   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
nadelewitz wrote:
Constant pithy comments reach a point of offensive boorishness eventually. CHG_CANON reached that point well before this, and doesn't seem to care.

On that note, I'm off this discussion.


He seems to think he has stalkers and that I'm one of them, probably both mistakes. Too bad.

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Nov 24, 2019 17:46:43   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Diligence is the mother of good luck. Having a cropped-sensor camera is like dating your cousin.


This statement might make sense if there was any coherent connection between the two sentences.

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Nov 24, 2019 18:02:36   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
aellman wrote:
This statement might make sense if there was any coherent connection between the two sentences.


The best part is that most macro shooters see the absurdity while others see some sort of meaning ....

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Nov 24, 2019 18:06:22   #
jcboy3
 
will47 wrote:
If given the choice what is better for macro photograhy, or is there a difference? 90D or 6D Mark ll. Thanks.


Here is the macro dilemma. I can take the exact same picture with a crop sensor and full frame sensor, the the crop sensor image can be a macro image while the full frame image is not.

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Nov 24, 2019 18:14:08   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
nadelewitz wrote:
Well, since you have me on your "ignore" list, I can't send you a private message. So here goes:

Why do you have to (try to) ridicule people who don't share your equipment usage and preferences? What I know about you is what I see on UHH, and it is that you are obnoxious and a jerk.

Anxiety about my spouse and my camera? You prove your mindlessness more and more.


I believe the name calling and insults has gone too far. I don't agree or disagree with anyone here who goes so far as a petty insult. Perhaps the anonymity of this forum lends itself to being quick with the fingers on the keyboard. As for crop sensor or full frame sensor doesnt it really matter. We are supposed to be civil here. I hope we can throw away this pettiness. Let's discuss cameras, please.

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Nov 24, 2019 19:04:03   #
jcboy3
 
Grahame wrote:
I would suggest that the 'technical' difference between the two (crop/full) with respect to the finished image is about 0.00005% of the overall attributes that make an image great.


Got a link for that?

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Nov 24, 2019 19:06:03   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Few people realize that 100% of luck is created by a full-frame sensor.

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Nov 24, 2019 19:09:27   #
DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
 
Is there much diff between cropping in-camera (crop body) and cropping on your computer (ff body)?

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Nov 24, 2019 20:35:46   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
nadelewitz wrote:
Constant pithy comments reach a point of offensive boorishness eventually. CHG_CANON reached that point well before this, and doesn't seem to care.

On that note, I'm off this discussion.


Well, I’ve tried. The history is that you do seem to have a very short fuse or anger issues and have regularly called some number of members, including me, names (such as a jerk) and leveled ad hominem insults at them when they disagreed with you. That is not defensible and does not reflect well upon you. Disagreements are fine as long as conducted in a respectful and civil manner. I am (again) respectfully suggesting that you rethink your approach to this forum and members such as Paul that have published a great deal of fine work and literally thousands of helpful posts over the years. The choice is, of course, yours.

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