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Sep 21, 2019 11:01:54   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
What's sort of beyond belief is your interacting with this woman. Seriously, if I were in your position at a pubic event, I'd just photograph. I'd only discuss photographing anyone if I was going to ask them to pose a certain way for a particular photograph. As for anyone else photographing in the same area, they have just as much "right" to do so as you do.
--Bob
Lukabulla wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'd like to share my very disturbing experience last weekend .
I like to photograph outdoor events of an ' Alternative type '
Lesser know festivals / political demonstrations /etc .

I always ask or at least point to my camera with a nod to get permission to shoot .
At a lot of the same events a female acquaintance is often there taking images with her phone ,
she has a predatory style and never asks permission . often shooting people from 2 feet away .

Anyway last weekend I was an an outdoor local free festival , stalls / music with live acts /etc .
watching the band was a very attractive young female ( not a child ) .. I went up and asked her permission for me to take a photo .. she hesitated but then agreed .. I composed and shot .. then 2 feet away was this woman also taking a shot of the same female ... I informed her that it was me not her that permission was given , and told her that she is always doing this and some day people will get angry.. To my surprise she replied ' I dont care if people get angry and I'm not asking permission '

Her arrogance was beyond belief !

Just thought I'd share with you and would welcome any replies / observations / Psychiatric Evaluations
Hi Everyone, br I'd like to share my very disturbi... (show quote)

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Sep 21, 2019 11:03:58   #
saxman71 Loc: Wenatchee
 
Lukabulla wrote:
https://petapixel.com/2019/09/19/street-photographer-beaten-bloody-for-taking-photo-of-a-couple-hugging/?fbclid=IwAR1PxUtis8UvGwzle-iN-I1NoeRJv_fXkfZBtcrklU0L5Llx7vSGaKLdL9k


I read this article (not sure anyone else will) and find the situation behind the story to be completely different from a public performance in a pubic venue. This poor guy tried to take a photo of a couple in a private moment. Now that is bad photography etiquette. We should never intrude on private moments (one or both may have been cheating on a spouse for all the photographer knew). I don't think the photographer deserved to be beaten to a pulp but he clearly used poor judgement when he took that picture.

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Sep 21, 2019 11:24:17   #
uhaas2009
 
Kindness are often seen as weakness. I’m thankful we have good mannered people like you.
Maybe next time you get an answer like this take pics of this person and tell them the same

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Sep 21, 2019 11:29:24   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
frankraney wrote:
You were in a public place and asking permission is not needed, but you were nice in doing so, because that usually gets the shot and the person you shooting doesn't get angry. As for the lady and the arrogance, I would say you were wrong in saying anything to her because you are in a public place you have no right to any area you had no right to say anything to her thus her arrogance I would have been arrogant also. when you're at a public place and a lot of people are around and several taking pictures you need to learn to live with it and work around them.
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Sep 21, 2019 11:40:33   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Woodworm65 wrote:
That my friend is the new generation, no manners, no brains, no conman sense and a total disregard for anyone around them at least you were taught by your parents to have all of those qualities.


Arrogance knows no age limits, no generational bounderies, I know just as many of my age (old retired) & older/younger who fit that description, there might even be a couple on this venue. I know fine, upstanding, kind, compassionate parents who have produced horrible progeny, and complete and utter axxhxxx parents who somehow managed wonderful children...... Arrogance is a learned, or acquired behaivor, I doubt anyone is "born arrogant"...

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Sep 21, 2019 11:55:34   #
skylinefirepest Loc: Southern Pines, N.C.
 
"In the public domain" requires no permission even though it's polite to do so. For many years I have done photography for the NCSHP and several years ago there was a wreck on U.S. 1 right where some prisoners were picking up trash. While doing my wreck pictures a guard came up to me and said that I wasn't allowed to take photos of the prisoners since they had no option for being in my photos. I told him that he could take his argument up with the Highway Patrol and secondly that if the prisoners didn't want to be in the photos all they had to do was turn their backs to me. Funny...he didn't give me any more hassle after that.

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Sep 21, 2019 12:07:07   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
rehess wrote:
By the long-established traditions of “street shooting” she was doing nothing wrong, and to my ears you sound just as arrogant.




My opinion exactly. The woman was simply doing what other people were doing as well, taking photos in the crowd and of the crowd. No problem at all. The OP sounds to me like the arrogant one trying to take ownership of his, "model" which was not his at all. Apparently the woman being photographed didn't seem to care or she would have said so. The OP asked but in reality he needn't have done so. He could have just as easily taken the photo without asking.

Our own street photographer submits photos every day of people and I doubt he asks their permission ever.

Dennis

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Sep 21, 2019 12:55:07   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
I offer that you have practice seeking an 'okay' from your subjects and this feels right to you. I applaud your caution and or restraint in shooting in public.

For the aggressive woman cell phone photographer, as pointed out by others, doesn't need permission. For you it is frustrating, but again, for you, you are doing it your way. Try to avoid shooting near her to reduce the number of times you see her aggression.

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Sep 21, 2019 12:56:54   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
Stephan G wrote:
A public place is just that, public. There is very little that can be done. Just think of one who vapes next to you. Same kind of irritant or nuisance. One of my peeves is that photographer with gear who believes they can "rope off" an area for their photo shoot.

The best way to handle this is to ignore them and work around them. There are so many other opportunities around.

BTW, having asked for permission does not confer ownership.
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Approximately 4% of the population are sociopaths!

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Sep 21, 2019 12:59:06   #
ecurb1105
 
DaveO wrote:
Live and let live. Don't sweat the small stuff.


Ignore her but, as you seem to run into her, be ready to grab a shot when someone punches her out.😎

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Sep 21, 2019 13:08:19   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
I would have photographed the other photographer and the joint subject - that would have been a better story.

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Sep 21, 2019 13:39:39   #
Canisdirus
 
I'm not sure what you were going for with your images, but if you want to catch spontaneous moments ... it's best to just fire away.
Subjects change if you make them aware you are recording.

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Sep 21, 2019 13:41:50   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
rehess wrote:
I would not intentionally photograph an Amish person, period.


Kind of aside from the point, but for me I'd have to find an Amish or Orthodox Jew first to even have to think about that. I'm in California. But even here it is not cool to photograph children with out parental permission.

Again, personally, it might not be surprising I photograph Flowers and Sea Shells and Landscapes mainly. They don't complain or try to assault or sue you.

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Sep 21, 2019 13:49:09   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
I'd say you are a polite and respectful person who does the right thing. In some circumstances you risk getting your head caved in if you act like the woman in question. Try taking some pictures at an Antifa rally without getting their okay on it and see what happens. Andy Ngo found out.

Keep doing what you're doing. You don't need to ask to take a picture in a public place but if you value your health it's a good idea.

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Sep 21, 2019 13:50:57   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
CatMarley wrote:
Approximately 4% of the population are sociopaths!


True.

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