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Sep 21, 2019 07:27:10   #
SonyBug
 
A10 wrote:
Seek solice in you having good manners. Treating people with respect has its own rewards.



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Sep 21, 2019 07:32:30   #
JDG3
 
Sorry, I agree with several of the other people here. You were wrong to admonish this person. This was a supposedly a public venue so privacy concerns are minimal. You are not "Ms. Manners Police" in these situations with the responsibility of calling out others behavior, though in this situation I do no think the other person was at fault for anything.

I think there could have been other factors in play here also though.

1. Was this person looking to take a more candid photo? Asking someone to take their photos almost always results in a posed looking photo. She may have been looking for a "real" shot. Urban photographers prize these candid shots, even angry ones.

2. Age difference. Was this person younger, say in their 20's to 30's? Was the person you were photographing close to the same age as the cellphone photographer? People in this age group have a quite different view of privacy and sharing info than those of us in our 50's and 60's. This generation has NEVER known a time without cellphones, computers and social media. I had my son late in life, he is in his mid twenties and and I am 66. While he is a well mannered and educated young man, our views on privacy, social media and what is shared to the public are very different. Young people today are much more open with their private lives and usually expect others in their age group to be as well.


My advice is stand back, try not to be too well mannered (as we were taught) and see if you get some better shots of real people doing real things.

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Sep 21, 2019 07:34:09   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
DAN Phillips wrote:
There are idiots everywhere! They're everywhere! They're everywhere!

Around ten years ago, our family rode the Saratoga & North Creek dinner train. We had a 'layover' in North Creek, so I decided to photograph their striking locomotive during switching operations. A guy with a NYC-style accent had the same idea, and as we waited for the locomotive to come to our area, he lectured me on proper "photo line" behavior {basically, staying out of each other's way common sense}. Then the locomotives came into our area, and just as I was ready to press the shutter button, he stepped right in front me to get his photo. I have experienced that sort of thing before, so I quickly side-stepped and got my photo {not quite the one I wanted, but it will do} anyway.

Yes, idiots are everywhere, and the loudest ones often are the worst.

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Sep 21, 2019 07:57:24   #
Lukabulla
 
Well Sir , I would suggest that you are the Arrogant one for calling me arrogant for implying that the female was arrogant ... Ive never heard such Arrogance !

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Sep 21, 2019 07:59:50   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Lukabulla wrote:
Well Sir , I would suggest that you are the Arrogant one for calling me arrogant for implying that the female was arrogant ... Ive never heard such Arrogance !



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Sep 21, 2019 08:08:27   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Lukabulla wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'd like to share my very disturbing experience last weekend .
I like to photograph outdoor events of an ' Alternative type '
Lesser know festivals / political demonstrations /etc .

I always ask or at least point to my camera with a nod to get permission to shoot .
At a lot of the same events a female acquaintance is often there taking images with her phone ,
she has a predatory style and never asks permission . often shooting people from 2 feet away .

Anyway last weekend I was an an outdoor local free festival , stalls / music with live acts /etc .
watching the band was a very attractive young female ( not a child ) .. I went up and asked her permission for me to take a photo .. she hesitated but then agreed .. I composed and shot .. then 2 feet away was this woman also taking a shot of the same female ... I informed her that it was me not her that permission was given , and told her that she is always doing this and some day people will get angry.. To my surprise she replied ' I dont care if people get angry and I'm not asking permission '

Her arrogance was beyond belief !

Just thought I'd share with you and would welcome any replies / observations / Psychiatric Evaluations
Hi Everyone, br I'd like to share my very disturbi... (show quote)


Much ado about nothing.

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Sep 21, 2019 08:12:10   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
Scruples wrote:
If they cannot comply, you should distance yourself from this person. When someone does something contrary to your beliefs as a photographer, they may be an acquaintance rather than a friend.




The OP stated that she was an acquaintance.

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Sep 21, 2019 08:56:20   #
Woodworm65 Loc: Lombard, IL
 
That my friend is the new generation, no manners, no brains, no conman sense and a total disregard for anyone around them at least you were taught by your parents to have all of those qualities.

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Sep 21, 2019 09:30:29   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
Lukabulla wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'd like to share my very disturbing experience last weekend .
I like to photograph outdoor events of an ' Alternative type '
Lesser know festivals / political demonstrations /etc .

I always ask or at least point to my camera with a nod to get permission to shoot .
At a lot of the same events a female acquaintance is often there taking images with her phone ,
she has a predatory style and never asks permission . often shooting people from 2 feet away .

Anyway last weekend I was an an outdoor local free festival , stalls / music with live acts /etc .
watching the band was a very attractive young female ( not a child ) .. I went up and asked her permission for me to take a photo .. she hesitated but then agreed .. I composed and shot .. then 2 feet away was this woman also taking a shot of the same female ... I informed her that it was me not her that permission was given , and told her that she is always doing this and some day people will get angry.. To my surprise she replied ' I dont care if people get angry and I'm not asking permission '

Her arrogance was beyond belief !

Just thought I'd share with you and would welcome any replies / observations / Psychiatric Evaluations
Hi Everyone, br I'd like to share my very disturbi... (show quote)


I would completely ignore her. Literally...if she says something to you, just walk away. If all she's doing is shooting with her phone, ignore that too. Don't say anything to her. Pretend she doesn't exist. >Alan

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Sep 21, 2019 09:31:08   #
Canisdirus
 
My dad was at a huge mobster wedding in New York during the late 40's.
The FBI was there taking down plate numbers, and a mobsters son came over and threw my dad's camera to the ground. he flipped a few bills on the ground to cover the cost.
Guess he should have asked permission.

Just kidding....

It's a public event in a public place ... no permission is required.

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Sep 21, 2019 09:33:17   #
Lukabulla
 
https://petapixel.com/2019/09/19/street-photographer-beaten-bloody-for-taking-photo-of-a-couple-hugging/?fbclid=IwAR1PxUtis8UvGwzle-iN-I1NoeRJv_fXkfZBtcrklU0L5Llx7vSGaKLdL9k

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Sep 21, 2019 09:53:48   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Lukabulla wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'd like to share my very disturbing experience last weekend .
I like to photograph outdoor events of an ' Alternative type '
Lesser know festivals / political demonstrations /etc .

I always ask or at least point to my camera with a nod to get permission to shoot .
At a lot of the same events a female acquaintance is often there taking images with her phone ,
she has a predatory style and never asks permission . often shooting people from 2 feet away .

Anyway last weekend I was an an outdoor local free festival , stalls / music with live acts /etc .
watching the band was a very attractive young female ( not a child ) .. I went up and asked her permission for me to take a photo .. she hesitated but then agreed .. I composed and shot .. then 2 feet away was this woman also taking a shot of the same female ... I informed her that it was me not her that permission was given , and told her that she is always doing this and some day people will get angry.. To my surprise she replied ' I dont care if people get angry and I'm not asking permission '

Her arrogance was beyond belief !

Just thought I'd share with you and would welcome any replies / observations / Psychiatric Evaluations
Hi Everyone, br I'd like to share my very disturbi... (show quote)


Arrogance know no bounderies, no limitations, it is everywhere, a sign of the times, I guess.......

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Sep 21, 2019 09:57:12   #
jpmmc Loc: Pennsylvania
 
Perhaps simply photographing the ‘arrogant photographer’ would have been the better story in the moment. As I see it, she was the audience, sometimes the greater images are reaction. Just a thought... Then go back to the subject you started with... it’s ALWAYS about the story.

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Sep 21, 2019 10:06:57   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Lukabulla wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'd like to share my very disturbing experience last weekend .
I like to photograph outdoor events of an ' Alternative type '
Lesser know festivals / political demonstrations /etc .

I always ask or at least point to my camera with a nod to get permission to shoot .
At a lot of the same events a female acquaintance is often there taking images with her phone ,
she has a predatory style and never asks permission . often shooting people from 2 feet away .

Anyway last weekend I was an an outdoor local free festival , stalls / music with live acts /etc .
watching the band was a very attractive young female ( not a child ) .. I went up and asked her permission for me to take a photo .. she hesitated but then agreed .. I composed and shot .. then 2 feet away was this woman also taking a shot of the same female ... I informed her that it was me not her that permission was given , and told her that she is always doing this and some day people will get angry.. To my surprise she replied ' I dont care if people get angry and I'm not asking permission '

Her arrogance was beyond belief !

Just thought I'd share with you and would welcome any replies / observations / Psychiatric Evaluations
Hi Everyone, br I'd like to share my very disturbi... (show quote)



You were in a public place and asking permission is not needed, but you were nice in doing so, because that usually gets the shot and the person you shooting doesn't get angry. As for the lady and the arrogance, I would say you were wrong in saying anything to her because you are in a public place you have no right to any area you had no right to say anything to her thus her arrogance I would have been arrogant also. when you're at a public place and a lot of people are around and several taking pictures you need to learn to live with it and work around them.

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Sep 21, 2019 10:09:15   #
Woodworm65 Loc: Lombard, IL
 

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