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Sep 20, 2019 05:53:31   #
Lukabulla
 
Hi Everyone,
I'd like to share my very disturbing experience last weekend .
I like to photograph outdoor events of an ' Alternative type '
Lesser know festivals / political demonstrations /etc .

I always ask or at least point to my camera with a nod to get permission to shoot .
At a lot of the same events a female acquaintance is often there taking images with her phone ,
she has a predatory style and never asks permission . often shooting people from 2 feet away .

Anyway last weekend I was an an outdoor local free festival , stalls / music with live acts /etc .
watching the band was a very attractive young female ( not a child ) .. I went up and asked her permission for me to take a photo .. she hesitated but then agreed .. I composed and shot .. then 2 feet away was this woman also taking a shot of the same female ... I informed her that it was me not her that permission was given , and told her that she is always doing this and some day people will get angry.. To my surprise she replied ' I dont care if people get angry and I'm not asking permission '

Her arrogance was beyond belief !

Just thought I'd share with you and would welcome any replies / observations / Psychiatric Evaluations

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Sep 20, 2019 06:13:53   #
Stephan G
 
A public place is just that, public. There is very little that can be done. Just think of one who vapes next to you. Same kind of irritant or nuisance. One of my peeves is that photographer with gear who believes they can "rope off" an area for their photo shoot.

The best way to handle this is to ignore them and work around them. There are so many other opportunities around.

BTW, having asked for permission does not confer ownership.

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Sep 20, 2019 06:16:41   #
Collhar Loc: New York City.
 
Lukabulla wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'd like to share my very disturbing experience last weekend .
I like to photograph outdoor events of an ' Alternative type '
Lesser know festivals / political demonstrations /etc .

I always ask or at least point to my camera with a nod to get permission to shoot .
At a lot of the same events a female acquaintance is often there taking images with her phone ,
she has a predatory style and never asks permission . often shooting people from 2 feet away .

Anyway last weekend I was an an outdoor local free festival , stalls / music with live acts /etc .
watching the band was a very attractive young female ( not a child ) .. I went up and asked her permission for me to take a photo .. she hesitated but then agreed .. I composed and shot .. then 2 feet away was this woman also taking a shot of the same female ... I informed her that it was me not her that permission was given , and told her that she is always doing this and some day people will get angry.. To my surprise she replied ' I dont care if people get angry and I'm not asking permission '

Her arrogance was beyond belief !

Just thought I'd share with you and would welcome any replies / observations / Psychiatric Evaluations
Hi Everyone, br I'd like to share my very disturbi... (show quote)


You are not the Sherrif. two strangers...none of your business.

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Sep 20, 2019 06:16:45   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
"Legally" she doesn't need permission in a public place. But she is indeed arrogant...and an a**hole. I guess it is to be expected now that everyone is a "photographer".

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Sep 20, 2019 06:31:12   #
A10 Loc: Southern Indiana
 
Seek solice in you having good manners. Treating people with respect has its own rewards.

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Sep 20, 2019 06:34:09   #
ClarkJohnson Loc: Fort Myers, FL and Cohasset, MA
 
Seems to me you are both right, assuming that you are not taking pictures for commercial purposes. You are using common decency, while she actually can take photos without permission in public places (but she will need to deal with the angry people).

As an amateur musician, having someone taking pictures always reminds me not to get lazy about my stage appearance, which is not a bad thing. As a photographer, I ry to ask permission.

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Sep 20, 2019 06:44:56   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Collhar wrote:
You are not the Sherrif. two strangers...none of your business.


Live and let live. Don't sweat the small stuff.

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Sep 20, 2019 07:28:49   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Lukabulla wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'd like to share my very disturbing experience last weekend .
I like to photograph outdoor events of an ' Alternative type '
Lesser know festivals / political demonstrations /etc .

I always ask or at least point to my camera with a nod to get permission to shoot .
At a lot of the same events a female acquaintance is often there taking images with her phone ,
she has a predatory style and never asks permission . often shooting people from 2 feet away .

Anyway last weekend I was an an outdoor local free festival , stalls / music with live acts /etc .
watching the band was a very attractive young female ( not a child ) .. I went up and asked her permission for me to take a photo .. she hesitated but then agreed .. I composed and shot .. then 2 feet away was this woman also taking a shot of the same female ... I informed her that it was me not her that permission was given , and told her that she is always doing this and some day people will get angry.. To my surprise she replied ' I dont care if people get angry and I'm not asking permission '

Her arrogance was beyond belief !

Just thought I'd share with you and would welcome any replies / observations / Psychiatric Evaluations
Hi Everyone, br I'd like to share my very disturbi... (show quote)


I started learning photography way back in high school in 1976. My teacher explained to us students that everything that we see in our lives is fleeting and a photograph. I was taught to be humble in this regard. Remember, you are intruding into the space of another. I was told that sometimes photographs will not be allowed because of the sensitive nature they are. Such is the case of the interior of The Pentagon. Permission must be granted at all times, none the less. However, when I requested a tour of The White House, I asked before my camera was raised at all times. Some areas were not allowed to be photographed. When I came upon a painting of President John F. Kennedy, I asked the uniformed Secret Service Officer if I could take a photograph with him by the painting. He said I could not and so I relinquished the camera to the officer to photograph me admiring the painting.
You are correct and proper for asking permission to use YOUR camera. When permission is granted, I humbly offer my business card. If the interested party wishes a copy of the photograph, I provide it to them free of charge. If permission is not given, I offer my apology for asking and walk away.
You mentioned that your friend uses a cellular phone. This may be part of the reason why someone might be arrogant about photographing others without permission. Since everyone these days has these thingamabobs, they feel that they are entitled to do with it what they please. This falls back upon the rule of being humble. Since they are not humble and more arrogant, they will learn to change their tune when they wish to take a photograph and it is denied. As for being a friend, it is important to stress your overall desire to request a photograph. If they cannot comply, you should distance yourself from this person. When someone does something contrary to your beliefs as a photographer, they may be an acquaintance rather than a friend.


Just remember, that many cultures believe that a portion of the soul is retained by the photograph. Even though it is superstitious, it is the belief of another, You MUST respect their beliefs!
By the way, I am not qualified to provide a medical evaluation. That is why I did not offer a Psychiatric opinion. Sorry.

Happy Shooting!

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Sep 20, 2019 07:30:13   #
Pablo8 Loc: Nottingham UK.
 
Lukabulla wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'd like to share my very disturbing experience last weekend .
I like to photograph outdoor events of an ' Alternative type '
Lesser know festivals / political demonstrations /etc .

I always ask or at least point to my camera with a nod to get permission to shoot .
At a lot of the same events a female acquaintance is often there taking images with her phone ,
she has a predatory style and never asks permission . often shooting people from 2 feet away .

Anyway last weekend I was an an outdoor local free festival , stalls / music with live acts /etc .
watching the band was a very attractive young female ( not a child ) .. I went up and asked her permission for me to take a photo .. she hesitated but then agreed .. I composed and shot .. then 2 feet away was this woman also taking a shot of the same female ... I informed her that it was me not her that permission was given , and told her that she is always doing this and some day people will get angry.. To my surprise she replied ' I dont care if people get angry and I'm not asking permission '

Her arrogance was beyond belief !

Just thought I'd share with you and would welcome any replies / observations / Psychiatric Evaluations
Hi Everyone, br I'd like to share my very disturbi... (show quote)


My retort would have been to just photograph said arrogant 'Lady', in the most aggressive manner you could muster. See how she likes it!

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Sep 20, 2019 07:36:17   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
By the long-established traditions of “street shooting” she was doing nothing wrong, and to my ears you sound just as arrogant.

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Sep 20, 2019 07:59:05   #
Silverrails
 
Lukabulla wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'd like to share my very disturbing experience last weekend .
I like to photograph outdoor events of an ' Alternative type '
Lesser know festivals / political demonstrations /etc .

I always ask or at least point to my camera with a nod to get permission to shoot .
At a lot of the same events a female acquaintance is often there taking images with her phone ,
she has a predatory style and never asks permission . often shooting people from 2 feet away .

Anyway last weekend I was an an outdoor local free festival , stalls / music with live acts /etc .
watching the band was a very attractive young female ( not a child ) .. I went up and asked her permission for me to take a photo .. she hesitated but then agreed .. I composed and shot .. then 2 feet away was this woman also taking a shot of the same female ... I informed her that it was me not her that permission was given , and told her that she is always doing this and some day people will get angry.. To my surprise she replied ' I dont care if people get angry and I'm not asking permission '

Her arrogance was beyond belief !

Just thought I'd share with you and would welcome any replies / observations / Psychiatric Evaluations
Hi Everyone, br I'd like to share my very disturbi... (show quote)


Just do your Best, attempting to avoid her as much as possible. Her "Rudeness" is a negative aspect of her personality.

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Sep 20, 2019 08:06:50   #
krl48 Loc: NY, PA now SC
 
rehess wrote:
By the long-established traditions of “street shooting” she was doing nothing wrong, and to my ears you sound just as arrogant.



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Sep 20, 2019 08:14:44   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Lukabulla wrote:
...she replied ' I dont care if people get angry and I'm not asking permission '


Are you recently arrived on Planet Earth? You should be thankful that she didn't shove you out of her way.

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Sep 20, 2019 11:14:40   #
Collhar Loc: New York City.
 
Scruples wrote:
I started learning photography way back in high school in 1976. My teacher explained to us students that everything that we see in our lives is fleeting and a photograph. I was taught to be humble in this regard. Remember, you are intruding into the space of another. I was told that sometimes photographs will not be allowed because of the sensitive nature they are. Such is the case of the interior of The Pentagon. Permission must be granted at all times, none the less. However, when I requested a tour of The White House, I asked before my camera was raised at all times. Some areas were not allowed to be photographed. When I came upon a painting of President John F. Kennedy, I asked the uniformed Secret Service Officer if I could take a photograph with him by the painting. He said I could not and so I relinquished the camera to the officer to photograph me admiring the painting.
You are correct and proper for asking permission to use YOUR camera. When permission is granted, I humbly offer my business card. If the interested party wishes a copy of the photograph, I provide it to them free of charge. If permission is not given, I offer my apology for asking and walk away.
You mentioned that your friend uses a cellular phone. This may be part of the reason why someone might be arrogant about photographing others without permission. Since everyone these days has these thingamabobs, they feel that they are entitled to do with it what they please. This falls back upon the rule of being humble. Since they are not humble and more arrogant, they will learn to change their tune when they wish to take a photograph and it is denied. As for being a friend, it is important to stress your overall desire to request a photograph. If they cannot comply, you should distance yourself from this person. When someone does something contrary to your beliefs as a photographer, they may be an acquaintance rather than a friend.


Just remember, that many cultures believe that a portion of the soul is retained by the photograph. Even though it is superstitious, it is the belief of another, You MUST respect their beliefs!
By the way, I am not qualified to provide a medical evaluation. That is why I did not offer a Psychiatric opinion. Sorry.

Happy Shooting!
I started learning photography way back in high sc... (show quote)

"You MUST respect their beliefs!"
Perhaps you should direct that message to both Parties.

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Sep 20, 2019 11:26:36   #
saxman71 Loc: Wenatchee
 
rehess wrote:
By the long-established traditions of “street shooting” she was doing nothing wrong, and to my ears you sound just as arrogant.


I do a lot of public performance photography. Frankly it would be difficult, if not impossible, to ask for permission from all the performers. I think the OP's position here is unreasonable.

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