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Nov 27, 2022 14:15:32   #
Jsykes
 
Architect1776 wrote:


This was covered a couple of months ago. Canon is focused on dissuading "fourth party" lens manufacturers, not reputable companies such as Tamron & Sigma. Northrup should know better; his opinions continue to be on the wane

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Nov 27, 2022 14:16:55   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
Jsykes wrote:
This was covered a couple of months ago. Canon is focused on dissuading "fourth party" lens manufacturers, not reputable companies such as Tamron & Sigma. Northrup should know better; his opinions continue to be on the wane


There are some great and innovative lenses coming out of Korea and China, that are also of high quality. Too bad for Canon users, I guess.

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Nov 27, 2022 15:01:04   #
gwilliams6
 
billnikon wrote:
Sony.
By the way, Sony is the leader in mirrorless equipment. Also they have a long standing partnership with Zeiss. I have several Zeiss AUTO FOCUS lenses for my Sony a9 and a1.
My favorite lens for travel is the Sony 24-105 f4, very sharp throughout the zoom range.
You may also find the Zeiss 25mm f2 a very sharp lens, the Zeiss 40 mm f2 is a dark horse that few folks realize, it has a very close focusing distance, I can use it almost like a micro lens.
Please, if you go Sony, Sony makes a full line of very nice, sharp glass. Look for the red G on the lens.
For wildlife, I have found the Sony 200-600 to be one of the sharpest lenses throughout it's zoom range that I have ever used.
Below is an example, taken at over 100 yards and this is only about 10% of the image, check the sharpness. The second shot is of Bryce Canyon National Park in Utah taken with the 24-105 f4 Sony.
Sony. br By the way, Sony is the leader in mirror... (show quote)



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Nov 27, 2022 15:33:35   #
gwilliams6
 
Jsykes wrote:
This was covered a couple of months ago. Canon is focused on dissuading "fourth party" lens manufacturers, not reputable companies such as Tamron & Sigma. Northrup should know better; his opinions continue to be on the wane


Not accurate, Canon has told all third-party lens makers to stop making RF lenses and that includes Sigma and Tamron. A few of these had made it onto the market, so if you do a search you will still find a few, but no new RF ones will be produced by Sigma and Tamron or others.

There is no such thing as fourth-party lens makers, LOL.

If you did your research, you would know there are excellent quality third-party mirrorless lenses from Sigma, Tamron, Zeiss, Samyang/Rokinon, Tokina, Viltrox, Meike and others that can hold their own vs OEM lenses. In this case Northrup is only one of many youtube reviewers , including more respected ones than Northrup, that have questioned Canon for its dumb and short-sighted move to limit third-party lenses.

UHH is such a closed world at times. But if you go to the many Facebook Worldwide Photography Groups and hear actual comments directly from Canon users and from some considering Canon R cameras you would see that there are many around the world that have now chosen to go to other brands that give them more quality mirrorless-designed lens choices to fit more budgets. Just a fact, no matter how much some Canon fanboy here says it isn't so.

And we are talking about mirrorless-designed lenses, not DSLR-designed lenses used with an adaptor. There is a difference in size, weight, flange distance, especially in the more compact wide angle lenses allowed by that shorter flange distance of mirrorless cameras.

And mirrorless-designed lenses benefit from more modern and improved optical designs, often more compact, as well as faster new linear focus motor technology, with more customizable buttons ,rings and features on the mirrorless-designed lenses.

FYI, I have personally owned and used dozens of the best top DSLR-designed lenses from Nikon and Canon over the past four decades as a pro using both brands. They were the best available and I made great award-winning shots with them. But the newest mirrorless-designed lenses are even better in performance and sharpness (MTF-Standard testing has shown the advantages of the best mirrorless-designed lenses).

If you have a huge investment in DSLR-designed glass, by all means they are very usable with adaptors, but this pro prefers mirrorless-designed lenses needing no adaptors, another part to wear.

Cheers and best to you.

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Nov 27, 2022 15:40:17   #
Old Coot
 
Why does no one almost never include Fuji equipment in the general conversation. Their equipment is some of the finest.

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Nov 27, 2022 15:55:29   #
MountainDave
 
A quick check of B&H shows about 70 RF lenses by niche manufacturers like Venus, Lensbaby, etc. I suspect Canon is OK with these since they don't compete with their own offerings.

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Nov 27, 2022 15:59:03   #
gwilliams6
 
Old Coot wrote:
Why does no one almost never include Fuji equipment in the general conversation. Their equipment is some of the finest.


Yes Fuji makes great gear. I have used some great Fuji cameras. It is just that most (not all) here in UHH are longtime Nikon and Canon users, with an increasing amount of Sony users, and the conversations tend to be dominated by these brands, rightly or wrongly.

There are also longtime Olympus and Panasonic folks here in UHH, but again in lesser numbers.

Cheers and best to you.

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Nov 27, 2022 16:20:35   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
When I switched from a Canon DSLR to Sony mirrorless they gave me an EF to FE adapter. I now shoot mainly with a Sony A7R111 with a large selection of different brands of lenses.

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Nov 27, 2022 16:29:25   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
MountainDave wrote:
A quick check of B&H shows about 70 RF lenses by niche manufacturers like Venus, Lensbaby, etc. I suspect Canon is OK with these since they don't compete with their own offerings.



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Nov 27, 2022 16:38:31   #
Jsykes
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Not accurate, Canon has told all third-party lens makers to stop making RF lenses and that includes Sigma and Tamron. A few of these had made it onto the market, so if you do a search you will still find a few, but no new RF ones will be produced by Sigma and Tamron or others.

There is no such thing as fourth-party lens makers, LOL.

If you did your research, you would know there are excellent quality third-party mirrorless lenses from Sigma, Tamron, Zeiss, Samyang/Rokinon, Tokina, Viltrox, Meike and others that can hold their own vs OEM lenses. In this case Northrup is only one of many youtube reviewers , including more respected ones than Northrup, that have questioned Canon for its dumb and short-sighted move to limit third-party lenses.

UHH is such a closed world at times. But if you go to the many Facebook Worldwide Photography Groups and hear actual comments directly from Canon users and from some considering Canon R cameras you would see that there are many around the world that have now chosen to go to other brands that give them more quality mirrorless-designed lens choices to fit more budgets. Just a fact, no matter how much some Canon fanboy here says it isn't so.

And we are talking about mirrorless-designed lenses, not DSLR-designed lenses used with an adaptor. There is a difference in size, weight, flange distance, especially in the more compact wide angle lenses allowed by that shorter flange distance of mirrorless cameras.

And mirrorless-designed lenses benefit from more modern and improved optical designs, often more compact, as well as faster new linear focus motor technology, with more customizable buttons ,rings and features on the mirrorless-designed lenses.

FYI, I have personally owned and used dozens of the best top DSLR-designed lenses from Nikon and Canon over the past four decades as a pro using both brands. They were the best available and I made great award-winning shots with them. But the newest mirrorless-designed lenses are even better in performance and sharpness (MTF-Standard testing has shown the advantages of the best mirrorless-designed lenses).

If you have a huge investment in DSLR-designed glass, by all means they are very usable with adaptors, but this pro prefers mirrorless-designed lenses needing no adaptors, another part to wear.

Cheers and best to you.
Not accurate, Canon has told all third-party lens ... (show quote)


That seems like a definitive statement wrt Tamron and Sigma, which I would contend is not true. Please provide your source

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Nov 27, 2022 16:45:37   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Jsykes wrote:
That seems like a definitive statement wrt Tamron and Sigma, which I would contend is not true. Please provide your source


Canon has not allowed any third party AF lens makers to make RF AF lenses.
The source is dozens of posts or more ALL over the internet, easily Googled.
Very hard to miss.

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Nov 27, 2022 16:53:20   #
gwilliams6
 
MountainDave wrote:
A quick check of B&H shows about 70 RF lenses by niche manufacturers like Venus, Lensbaby, etc. I suspect Canon is OK with these since they don't compete with their own offerings.


Nearly none of the Lensbaby and Venus RF lenses are autofocus lenses. So yes they dont compete with Canon RF lenses. Canon wants no real third-party lens competition. It is Canon's choice to have it their way, even if it costs them some Canon R buyers, which is happening already around the world.

Sometimes big, successful companies can lose sight of how best to grow their base in the long term , in a grab for more profits in the short term. Canon believes in their business model, but Canon has made business mistakes crippling themselves in the past. Time will tell if this is another of those bad moves. Canon will survive and thrive, even while its competitors will benefit here.

Cheers and best to you.

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Nov 27, 2022 17:03:13   #
gwilliams6
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Canon has not allowed any third party AF lens makers to make RF AF lenses.
The source is dozens of posts or more ALL over the internet, easily Googled.
Very hard to miss.



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Nov 27, 2022 17:04:27   #
gwilliams6
 
Jsykes wrote:
That seems like a definitive statement wrt Tamron and Sigma, which I would contend is not true. Please provide your source


Just google it .

Cheers and best to you.

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Nov 27, 2022 17:05:01   #
gwilliams6
 
Dennis833 wrote:
When I switched from a Canon DSLR to Sony mirrorless they gave me an EF to FE adapter. I now shoot mainly with a Sony A7R111 with a large selection of different brands of lenses.



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