Mirrorless full frame cameras (Page 2): Nikon is glad to have different companies make Z lenses.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

tcanzano wrote:

I am upgrading to a mirrorless full-frame camera, but I have read and listened to different opinions about which camera lets you use third-party lenses. I listened to a video by Tony Northrup and he felt Cannon is restricting third-party manufacturers from producing lenses for their cameras. They said the other manufacturers are infringing on a pattern and threatened a lawsuit. So which manufacturers give you the best choices for third-party lenses?

Nikon is glad to have different companies make Z lenses.

tcanzano Loc: Bristol, NH

WOW, that is a lot to absorb. I will reread all the responses and try to make a good decision.
Thank you everyone for the response and have a great HOLIDAY!!

Canisdirus

I would have recommended Canon a few months ago...but no longer.

Nikon and Sony have great bodies and glass...Sony being the king of gumby gear though (adaptability).
Sony also has the deepest selection of native glass...by a pretty wide margin.

There's always Panasonic of course...but it's a distant third.
Canon being fourth.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Canisdirus wrote:

I would have recommended Canon a few months ago...but no longer.

Nikon and Sony have great bodies and glass...Sony being the king of gumby gear though (adaptability).
Sony also has the deepest selection of native glass...by a pretty wide margin.

There's always Panasonic of course...but it's a distant third.
Canon being fourth.

The no rush for Canon is the thousands of EF Canon and third party lenses that far outnumber Sony that work 100% or better on the R cameras.
Also the R lenses are extremely innovative and not just me too lenses like Sony. As to Canon RF lenses they make plenty of consumer priced lenses including 600mm and 800mm primes that Sony can not even come close to.
How many lenses does a mere mortal need unless they are just a gear collector vs photographer.
Canon has all the bases covered from inexpensive consumer to pro lenses only available for Canon R cameras.

sb Loc: Florida's East Coast

PHRubin wrote:

Canon has no licensing agreement for their RF mount (with electronics). Since I use Canon, I use the EF-RF adapter which allows me the use of all EF and EF-S compatible lenses from all manufacturers on my R series body.

My thoughts as well - I am considering getting a Canon R5 - everything I read says that using the EF-RF adapter yields very good results, so I will not only be able to use my very expensive EF lenses but can also use 3rd-party lenses made for the Canon EF mount if I wish.

hpucker99 Loc: Anchorage, Alaska

tcanzano wrote:

Thank you everyone for your replies.
I was going to purchase a Nikon Z5 but I was told tht Signa and Tamron do not make any lenses for that camera.

Tamron just released a lens for the Z mount, the 70-300. I assume more will follow from from them. Sigma may be coming out with Z mount lenses in 2023, I couldn't find an announcement from them.

Canisdirus

Architect1776 wrote:

The no rush for Canon is the thousands of EF Canon... (show quote)

Yeah...but if I am going to take the plunge...for the first time...and make a serious choice.

I'm going to go with native glass as my future...not adapters.

Can I switch gear anytime I want...yes.
But most cannot...or won't.

Canon limiting choices is a non starter for me...even if I considered dumping Sony.

No way would I make my first and only choice a camera that for serious variety and choices...I have to use adapters.

When I don't have to elsewhere.

If you are already invested in canon...hey knock yourselves out.

But it's not a good recommendation for anyone deciding to jump all in on FF.

47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range

sb wrote:

My thoughts as well - I am considering getting a Canon R5 - everything I read says that using the EF-RF adapter yields very good results, so I will not only be able to use my very expensive EF lenses but can also use 3rd-party lenses made for the Canon EF mount if I wish.

About 8 months ago, I bought a refurbished Canon R5 and a EF to RF adapter and sold my 5d4. As for lenses, I haven’t invested in a single Canon RF mount lens. I’m using all the EF mount lenses I accumulated and have no plans to replace them (not yet, anyway).

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

The EOS R5 has changed how we think about mirrorless, how we think about photography, how we think about life.

kcooke Loc: Alabama

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Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb

I use the R5 and found that they excluded 3rd party lenses, and was disappointed. But, I have several of the new Canon R lenses and am over whelmed with the quality and was surprised and the competitive price.
I now have the 24-240 the 100-400 and a 2X extender, all reasonable in price. This gives a me a small bag and a range 24 to 800.

MountainDave

If you are starting from scratch, you have a lot of work to do. First, compare the cameras keeping in mind the type of photography you like to do. Check ergonomics too. Are the features easy to use? Sony is known to have the best dynamic range though the advantage isn't as great as it used to be. AF performance and now tracking are critical for me, but anyone doing landscapes on a tripod might not care.

Canon has been criticized for not allowing Sigma and Tamron to copy their technology and produce competing products. I bought a R5 over a year ago because I already had about a dozen EF lenses. Every one of them works better on the R5 vs. 5D IV to varying degrees. As someone else said, you can use any EF or EF-S lens made by any manufacturer since 1987 on the R mount. I have been very slow to buy RF lenses myself. The adapter with a control ring gives EF glass full RF functionality. For someone on a budget, this is a huge advantage. You can now buy outstanding used glass very reasonably. The RF catalog is filling out and some are very innovative. Some are very reasonable too. Take the 100-400 @ 499! They recently put a bunch of L glass on sale $200-400 off. This trend will continue. The 135 1.8 that was just announced sports buttons on the barrel that can control almost any camera function.

All the major brands have pro users putting out outstanding product. There really aren't any bad choices. Do the research and choose what works best for you.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Canisdirus wrote:

I would have recommended Canon a few months ago...but no longer.

Nikon and Sony have great bodies and glass...Sony being the king of gumby gear though (adaptability).
Sony also has the deepest selection of native glass...by a pretty wide margin.

There's always Panasonic of course...but it's a distant third.
Canon being fourth.

There are 211 different EF/EFs lenses.
https://shuttermuse.com/complete-list-of-canon-ef-lenses/

There are currently 30 RF/RFs lenses (More coming).

That makes a total of 241 Canon lenses 100% compatible with R cameras.
Sony does not even come close to this number.
Also if you count complete duplicates of Sony lenses there are quite a few last I counted and the Zeiss are also duplicates of Sony lenses.
And the Canon RF lenses in many cases are unique and innovative lenses ot available from any other brand including third party makers.
Thus with a R camera you are n no way limited including the control ring feature for all your EF/EFs lenses. Sony does NOT have that either.

Jsykes

tcanzano wrote:

I am upgrading to a mirrorless full-frame camera, but I have read and listened to different opinions about which camera lets you use third-party lenses. I listened to a video by Tony Northrup and he felt Cannon is restricting third-party manufacturers from producing lenses for their cameras. They said the other manufacturers are infringing on a pattern and threatened a lawsuit. So which manufacturers give you the best choices for third-party lenses?

This was covered a couple of months ago. Canon is focused on dissuading "fourth party" lens manufacturers, not reputable companies such as Tamron & Sigma. Northrup should know better; his opinions continue to be on the wane

kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy

PHRubin wrote:

Canon has no licensing agreement for their RF mount (with electronics). Since I use Canon, I use the EF-RF adapter which allows me the use of all EF and EF-S compatible lenses from all manufacturers on my R series body.

The only problem there is that more and more high quality lenses are being designed for mirrorless cameras by 3rd party makers, taking advantage of the shorter flange distances of mirrorless, and that is especially true for wide lenses and wide zooms, so that will limit you going forward.