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Nov 26, 2022 13:38:29   #
tcanzano Loc: Bristol, NH
 
I am upgrading to a mirrorless full-frame camera, but I have read and listened to different opinions about which camera lets you use third-party lenses. I listened to a video by Tony Northrup and he felt Cannon is restricting third-party manufacturers from producing lenses for their cameras. They said the other manufacturers are infringing on a pattern and threatened a lawsuit. So which manufacturers give you the best choices for third-party lenses?

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Nov 26, 2022 13:42:02   #
SteveInConverse Loc: South Texas
 
Tony is right. And it's a terrible decision by Canon. Sony is probably your best bet right now.

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Nov 26, 2022 13:59:57   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
tcanzano wrote:
I am upgrading to a mirrorless full-frame camera, but I have read and listened to different opinions about which camera lets you use third-party lenses. I listened to a video by Tony Northrup and he felt Cannon is restricting third-party manufacturers from producing lenses for their cameras. They said the other manufacturers are infringing on a pattern and threatened a lawsuit. So which manufacturers give you the best choices for third-party lenses?


Nikon and Sony there is no difference in 3rd party lenses so choose which system you prefer.
I have no problem with Canon as I cannot afford even the current 30 or so lenses in RF, let alone even more duplicate 3rd party..
I doubt the 3rd party will be making high quality 600mm and 800mm primes as Canon has done in RF or like the 100-400mm RF for $500,00 at the sharpness and quality.

But back to the question no difference between Nikon or Sony so flip a coin and get it and all the 3rd party lenses you wish.

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Nov 26, 2022 14:36:42   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
Canon has no licensing agreement for their RF mount (with electronics). Since I use Canon, I use the EF-RF adapter which allows me the use of all EF and EF-S compatible lenses from all manufacturers on my R series body.

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Nov 26, 2022 14:39:34   #
lreisner Loc: Union,NJ
 
tcanzano wrote:
I am upgrading to a mirrorless full-frame camera, but I have read and listened to different opinions about which camera lets you use third-party lenses. I listened to a video by Tony Northrup and he felt Cannon is restricting third-party manufacturers from producing lenses for their cameras. They said the other manufacturers are infringing on a pattern and threatened a lawsuit. So which manufacturers give you the best choices for third-party lenses?


My first question to you is, which camera system are you already using? Do you need new lenses or do you already have top notch lenses? If you have already great lenses, then stick with the brand you are already using. All of the major brands make top notch mirrorless cameras. If you need new lenses then any of the three brands would work if you want to go full frame. I am a Sony user and of the four lenses that I own only one is a Sony lens. I own two Tamron and one Sigma lens. All of them are great lenses and some even beat out the Sony lens in comparison studies or are so close, except under extreme pixal peeping you could never tell the difference. At the time I bought my Sigma lens 24-70 it was half the price of the Sony and I believed weighed a lot less with the same or slightly better specks than the Sony of the time. I also have two Tamron lenses, a 17-28 and the 70-180. I chose them because of their lightweight and more than half the price of Sony lenses. You'll give up lens control buttons. I travel a lot and weight is an issue. I do miss not having the controls on the lenses, however, it is worth the inconvenience to me, not to mention you can save enough to buy another lens or two. None of the three lenses have internal stabilization. Since the camera already has it built in, that is not a problem. The heaviest lens is the Sigma of the three. All are f2.8 and low light is no problem. The one lens that is Sony is the 200-600, a beast of a lens. I hand hold that lens for bird photography. I use a Sony AR7IV. With 62 mega pixals, you need a good lenses. I bought this camera because I love to crop. Especially great when shooting wildlife, or changing lenses is not practical.

I use to be a Canon user and would not have shifted to Sony, but at the time Sony had no comparable mirrorless cameras. Even if they did, not being able to buy great non Canon lenses would have been a deal breaker.

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Nov 26, 2022 15:29:33   #
SteveInConverse Loc: South Texas
 
PHRubin wrote:
Canon has no licensing agreement for their RF mount (with electronics). Since I use Canon, I use the EF-RF adapter which allows me the use of all EF and EF-S compatible lenses from all manufacturers on my R series body.


I had forgotten about the adapter! This would be an inexpensive way to leverage all of the EF glass out there.

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Nov 26, 2022 16:18:57   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
SteveInConverse wrote:
I had forgotten about the adapter! This would be an inexpensive way to leverage all of the EF glass out there.



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Nov 26, 2022 18:32:36   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
tcanzano wrote:

So which manufacturers give you the best choices for third-party lenses?


A short while ago, many companies tried desperately to prevent third party products being used.
This included removable radios in cars, etc. Many felt by having a removable radio, the car would be less likely to be broken into. But car manufacturers slapped warranty voids on this. Enough people got smart and used a restraint of trade clause prevent the manufacturers from voiding warranties. Thank G-D for smart people and attorneys.

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Nov 26, 2022 19:49:08   #
tcanzano Loc: Bristol, NH
 
Thank you everyone for your replies.
I was going to purchase a Nikon Z5 but I was told tht Signa and Tamron do not make any lenses for that camera.

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Nov 26, 2022 20:08:49   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Honestly, you want to buy a Canon EOS in a full-frame format with no mirror and mount some 3rd party junk? With that attitude, you deserve a Sony.

The 3rd party limitation is very specific to RF mount clones. You have the entire catalog and entirely superior Canon EF lenses from 1987 onward that are fully compatible with the mirrorless EOS bodies via Canon's EF to RF adapter. No guessing. No alphabet soup. No loss of functionality.

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Nov 26, 2022 21:23:18   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Honestly, you want to buy a Canon EOS in a full-frame format with no mirror and mount some 3rd party junk? With that attitude, you deserve a Sony.

The 3rd party limitation is very specific to RF mount clones. You have the entire catalog and entirely superior Canon EF lenses from 1987 onward that are fully compatible with the mirrorless EOS bodies via Canon's EF to RF adapter. No guessing. No alphabet soup. No loss of functionality.


Get the control ring adapter and basically make them ALL RF lenses as well.
No one else comes close.

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Nov 26, 2022 21:32:33   #
gwilliams6
 
Sony E-mount by far gives you the best choices for third party mirrorless lenses with no adaptors needed. There are over 200 native E-mount mirrorless lens choices from Sony, Sigma, Tamron, Samyang/Rokinon, Zeiss, Tokina, Viltrox, Meike and more, with more being released by Sony and the third party lens makers all the time.

The E-mount is the most widely produced and used mirrorless lens mount in the world. No other mirrorless lens mount comes close. And third party lens makers are making more mirrorless lenses in E-mount than for any other lens mount

The facts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_E-mount_lenses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_third-party_Sony_E-mount_lenses

Cheers and best to you.

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Nov 27, 2022 06:02:47   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
tcanzano wrote:
I am upgrading to a mirrorless full-frame camera, but I have read and listened to different opinions about which camera lets you use third-party lenses. I listened to a video by Tony Northrup and he felt Cannon is restricting third-party manufacturers from producing lenses for their cameras. They said the other manufacturers are infringing on a pattern and threatened a lawsuit. So which manufacturers give you the best choices for third-party lenses?


If you're looking, then have a look at the Panasonic Lumix S1R. Panasonic have more experience of mirrorless than any other manufacturer by a long way. The S1R has a higher resolution EV than any other camera.

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Nov 27, 2022 07:00:04   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Honestly, you want to buy a Canon EOS in a full-frame format with no mirror and mount some 3rd party junk? With that attitude, you deserve a Sony.

The 3rd party limitation is very specific to RF mount clones. You have the entire catalog and entirely superior Canon EF lenses from 1987 onward that are fully compatible with the mirrorless EOS bodies via Canon's EF to RF adapter. No guessing. No alphabet soup. No loss of functionality.


Hey Paul....Don't YOU have a Sony? LOL I have an R5 with that adapter and use the 24-70 II L, the 100mm macro L, and the 100-400 IIL and I love the results.

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Nov 27, 2022 07:31:11   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
tcanzano wrote:
I am upgrading to a mirrorless full-frame camera, but I have read and listened to different opinions about which camera lets you use third-party lenses. I listened to a video by Tony Northrup and he felt Cannon is restricting third-party manufacturers from producing lenses for their cameras. They said the other manufacturers are infringing on a pattern and threatened a lawsuit. So which manufacturers give you the best choices for third-party lenses?


Sony.
By the way, Sony is the leader in mirrorless equipment. Also they have a long standing partnership with Zeiss. I have several Zeiss AUTO FOCUS lenses for my Sony a9 and a1.
My favorite lens for travel is the Sony 24-105 f4, very sharp throughout the zoom range.
You may also find the Zeiss 25mm f2 a very sharp lens, the Zeiss 40 mm f2 is a dark horse that few folks realize, it has a very close focusing distance, I can use it almost like a micro lens.
Please, if you go Sony, Sony makes a full line of very nice, sharp glass. Look for the red G on the lens.
For wildlife, I have found the Sony 200-600 to be one of the sharpest lenses throughout it's zoom range that I have ever used.
Below is an example, taken at over 100 yards and this is only about 10% of the image, check the sharpness. The second shot is of Bryce Canyon National Park in Utah taken with the 24-105 f4 Sony.





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