junglejim1949 Loc: Sacramento,CA

I still don't think we need to be forced into the kit purchase, to get the body.

When I bought my 80D, I purchased the kit lens (18-135) with it and was happy. As I progressed, I found better glass that suited me.

With the R7, I would rather save the $400 and put it towards new RF lenses of my choosing.

junglejim1949 Loc: Sacramento,CA

I have done that and have a copy on my phone.

gwilliams6

Certainly some kit lenses are good, some are very good, but in my over four decades as a professional photographer I have owned kit lenses and higher-end lenses from all the major brands and there is a reason most kit lenses are significantly less expensive than same brand higher end lenses. Just research and look to objective MTF-standard sharpness tests and more to know why the price difference is usually justified.

Of course you can make excellent shots with kit lenses, I have done it myself. But when I am shooting for clients or publication I dont reach for my kit lenses .

Kit lenses serve an important purpose to allow more folks to afford decent general lenses as a start to any system or newly acquired camera. As a longtime Professor of Photography at a state university, our photo students learn photography using dslr and mirrorless cameras with kit zoom lenses that the university provides. They do just fine.

Here a shot from a very consumer-oriented Canon T4i with its kits lens Canon 18-135mm f3.5-5.6 lens. A sunset over the marina at Disney Resort, Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, USA. Not a sky replacement, an actual captured real sky. The shot looks great, but under my trained eyes I can see less corner-to-corner sharpness, more chromatic aberration and some color fringing that I would not likely have gotten with my higher-end better quality Canon lenses.

Cheers and best to you.

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joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA

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Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Then buy a Z50 body.
Plenty available body only.

Toby

I understand your problem. I thought I would by David Busch's book because I had good luck with them in the past but didn't want to wait. I finally found a book by George C. Wilson and bought it for $50 because it was the only thing I could find. If I would have another choice I probably wouldn't buy it if I had it to do over. The only thing you might like about it is it does have larger print.
Since this thread is not about books and is already very long I will say no more. I will try to put some notes together and post a review near the end of this week.

LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY

Sales is king if it brings in profit. What sense does it make for Canon to bundle a good portion of it's R7 inventory into a kit that, from all appearances, is no where near as in demand as just the camera? You don't make sales if you don't put forth what people want. Not to mention that to get that extra $400 in sales they take a hit of $100 on each lens. How much of a profit is that lens making now? The idea, as originally put forth, that Canon, to increase profits, is giving priority to bundles over just the camera itself is nonsense. You want sales? You want profits? Then give the market what it wants. Here's my take on it:
Dealers get their allotments of bodies and kits. The bodies sell fast. The kits don't, so everybody has kits for sale. Meanwhile, all those kits have cut down on the number of bodies available and supply chain issues, which still exist, are making it hard to get more bodies. My wife does tens of millions of dollars in purchasing every year for the company she works for. She could give you a real earful on how backlogged the supply chain still is.
You don't makes sales and you don't make profits by reducing the availability of what customers want.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

And nobody is forcing you to buy it. You can choose to wait.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

And you completely misunderstand. It’s a concept that cuts across all types of business. Every time a burger joint sells a burger they hope you’re gonna make it a meal. They may hope you’ll buy fries and a drink but they’ll cut the profit margin as incentive because it will increase overall sales. Now Canon may have estimated wrong and thought more people would want the kit because it’s the first crop sensor RF mount camera, probably not expecting so many full frame RF users that already have lenses would be interested.

PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA

There is a big difference between the paltry manual in the box with the camera and the detailed ~1,000 page one available online.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Their research seems to contradict you.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

sb Loc: Florida's East Coast

Historically the kit lenses strived for mediocrity.... While the new Canon kit lenses may be decent, many loyal Canon customers have a large investment in high-quality lenses, and it is an affront to force them to purchase a lens which may or may not be inferior to what they have. It makes some, like me, to start to study options such as Sony.

LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY

No, you completely misunderstand. Canon's not some burger joint and they are not stupid. A burger joint doesn't tell it's customers that if you want a burger you have to buy fries along with it. They give you what you want. Buy the meal deal or buy just the burger, or, just the fries. You know, "Have It Your Way", from one of the most successful burger joints in the world. Canon is not dumb enough to try to push bundles vs cameras alone when it gains them nothing but frustrated potential customers and a loss of sales. No burger joint would do that either.
Somebody underestimated something. My bet is that supply chain issues were underestimated. Not just in getting cameras to the dealers but in even getting them made because of component and material shortages. It takes months to get a camera from the factory, into a container, onto a ship, across the ocean and into a port and from there to the distribution warehouses, and then on to the dealer. It takes only a couple of days to do the same by air. Before you claim that's too expensive, no, it's not. For that matter it has probably already been done numerous times by Canon and other camera manufacturers. If Canon is willing, as you claim, to offer a $100 discount to push a scheme that is obviously not working, and having seen the unfulfilled demand and heard from frustrated customers you can bet they would be loading up UPS 747s and FedEx MD11s as quickly as possible to get those cameras to the dealers. After all, sales is king, even if you have to eat some transportation costs. Right?
Canon doesn't have the product to ship. Somebody underestimated or got blindsided.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Then go.