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Sep 21, 2022 09:09:08   #
Toby
 
PHRubin wrote:
There is a big difference between the paltry manual in the box with the camera and the detailed ~1,000 page one available online.


WOW are you so right Paul. I went to the site thinking I would download and print the manual as I like to hold these things in my hand rather than on the screen. If I print 2 page per sheet side on both sides (total 4 pages per sheet) the manual will be 250 sheets of paper and 1" thick.

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Sep 21, 2022 09:15:14   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Toby wrote:
WOW are you so right Paul. I went to the site thinking I would download and print the manual as I like to hold these things in my hand rather than on the screen. If I print 2 page per sheet side on both sides (total 4 pages per sheet) the manual will be 250 sheets of paper and 1" thick.

I setup a camera and use learn to use common features when I first get it. In most cases I don’t have time to look up ‘special features’ when I’m out shooting.

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Sep 21, 2022 13:13:54   #
Zooman 1
 
Kit lens or not I bought the R7 with it, got almost instance delivery and find the 18-150 lens to be a fine lens. It was worth it to get the R7 body.

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Sep 21, 2022 13:27:49   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
LFingar wrote:
No, you completely misunderstand. Canon's not some burger joint and they are not stupid. A burger joint doesn't tell it's customers that if you want a burger you have to buy fries along with it. They give you what you want. Buy the meal deal or buy just the burger, or, just the fries. You know, "Have It Your Way", from one of the most successful burger joints in the world. Canon is not dumb enough to try to push bundles vs cameras alone when it gains them nothing but frustrated potential customers and a loss of sales. No burger joint would do that either.
Somebody underestimated something. My bet is that supply chain issues were underestimated. Not just in getting cameras to the dealers but in even getting them made because of component and material shortages. It takes months to get a camera from the factory, into a container, onto a ship, across the ocean and into a port and from there to the distribution warehouses, and then on to the dealer. It takes only a couple of days to do the same by air. Before you claim that's too expensive, no, it's not. For that matter it has probably already been done numerous times by Canon and other camera manufacturers. If Canon is willing, as you claim, to offer a $100 discount to push a scheme that is obviously not working, and having seen the unfulfilled demand and heard from frustrated customers you can bet they would be loading up UPS 747s and FedEx MD11s as quickly as possible to get those cameras to the dealers. After all, sales is king, even if you have to eat some transportation costs. Right?
Canon doesn't have the product to ship. Somebody underestimated or got blindsided.
No, you completely misunderstand. Canon's not some... (show quote)


You are correct about the cost of air freight not being that expensive. Back in the day, when the 747 cargo version appeared, it revolutionized the fresh produce market. I worked my way through college and part-time for several years after (total of 13 years) working at a Ralph's Market in Huntington Park, CA. One Holiday season, suddenly we started having more strawberries etc. available at only slightly more than normal. Beside the home-grown CA products and the ones trucked or brought in by train from Mexico, we started seeing fresh fruits and vegetables from South America, New Zealand and other places. Many of the cases they arrived in had "air freight" markings. About that same time in papers and magazines there were articles about the 747 Air Freighter and how it was changing the markets for smallish, relatively light and valuable products. One in particular talked about an air freight company that specialized in fruits and vegetables to the US from Chile.

So for something like cameras and lenses I would guess that air freight is probably a huge player.

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Sep 21, 2022 13:28:43   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Zooman 1 wrote:
Kit lens or not I bought the R7 with it, got almost instance delivery and find the 18-150 lens to be a fine lens. It was worth it to get the R7 body.



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Sep 21, 2022 13:31:56   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Toby wrote:
WOW are you so right Paul. I went to the site thinking I would download and print the manual as I like to hold these things in my hand rather than on the screen. If I print 2 page per sheet side on both sides (total 4 pages per sheet) the manual will be 250 sheets of paper and 1" thick.


And it was written in Japanese Engineer Speak, edited by a writer who wasn't an engineer, then translated to US English by "God knows Who". Maybe a native Mongolian speaker who once watched a movie with English subtitles.

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Sep 21, 2022 14:01:17   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
Everyone- if you want the R7 bite the bullet and buy the kit :) That is what I ended up doing as several camera stores have that in stock. The lens is fine and is very compact and handy to have. Not my go to lens but still...

I also bought the 600mm F11 prime for use with that camera. I have gotten some very nice images and it is so lightweight! The R7 is not as forgiving as the R6 using high ISO but is pretty good. I find that the biggest problem I have with that lens it is finding the subject in the view finder. I own an electronic spotter and plan to try it out. If you end up getting this lens you will have to buy a hood for it. Vello makes a very nice one for under 20.00 as compared to the Canon one for much more.

Happy shooting!

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Sep 21, 2022 14:13:15   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
robertjerl wrote:
And it was written in Japanese Engineer Speak, edited by a writer who wasn't an engineer, then translated to US English by "God knows Who". Maybe a native Mongolian speaker who once watched a movie with English subtitles.

They can’t be as bad the time when my Wife and I purchased a Chinese-made dining fly to cover our picnic table when camping. Everything was going OK when we encountered the instruction to tie the “flame ties”. We didn’t understand, so we continued. At the end some ties were hanging by the frame - then we realized that we were supposed to have tied these frame ties.

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Sep 21, 2022 14:38:10   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
robertjerl wrote:
You are correct about the cost of air freight not being that expensive. Back in the day, when the 747 cargo version appeared, it revolutionized the fresh produce market. I worked my way through college and part-time for several years after (total of 13 years) working at a Ralph's Market in Huntington Park, CA. One Holiday season, suddenly we started having more strawberries etc. available at only slightly more than normal. Beside the home-grown CA products and the ones trucked or brought in by train from Mexico, we started seeing fresh fruits and vegetables from South America, New Zealand and other places. Many of the cases they arrived in had "air freight" markings. About that same time in papers and magazines there were articles about the 747 Air Freighter and how it was changing the markets for smallish, relatively light and valuable products. One in particular talked about an air freight company that specialized in fruits and vegetables to the US from Chile.

So for something like cameras and lenses I would guess that air freight is probably a huge player.
You are correct about the cost of air freight not ... (show quote)


The 747 was, and still is, a magnificent aircraft. It's passenger days are pretty much over, but it is still the world's premier air freight carrier. It is the plane that changed modern aviation. Anchorage is the place to go to view it. Right now there are over 2 dozen inbound and a good dozen or so outbound. Anchorage is the major air freight transfer point in North America.
So, if strawberries can be shipped by air economically you can bet that cameras can be!

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Sep 21, 2022 15:37:27   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
LFingar wrote:
The 747 was, and still is, a magnificent aircraft. It's passenger days are pretty much over, but it is still the world's premier air freight carrier. It is the plane that changed modern aviation. Anchorage is the place to go to view it. Right now there are over 2 dozen inbound and a good dozen or so outbound. Anchorage is the major air freight transfer point in North America.
So, if strawberries can be shipped by air economically you can bet that cameras can be!


Several airlines still fly the passenger version on really long hauls. Often with expanded business class sections etc.

Several major airfields around the world have companies that specialize in conversion of passenger versions to freighters.

Unless they get a last minute order for new ones, production is supposed to end next month when they complete delivery of their last order.

Boeing is testing the 777X to replace the 747 with the first deliveries to airlines planned for 2025.

My late Father worked as a ground crew foreman for Eastern Airlines at Lambert Field, St Louis (also state Vice-President for the Airline Workers and Machinist's Union) and a few months after I got out of the Army in 1969 they started seeing the first 747s. He said the first one or two to land at Lambert, parts of the airport including airline ground crews practically shut down as everyone who could think of an excuse scrambled to get a close look at them.
They earned the nickname "The Messiah" because so many getting their first look exclaimed "Jesus Christ" at the size of the plane inside and out.

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Sep 21, 2022 15:52:19   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
LFingar wrote:
No, you completely misunderstand. Canon's not some burger joint and they are not stupid. A burger joint doesn't tell it's customers that if you want a burger you have to buy fries along with it. They give you what you want. Buy the meal deal or buy just the burger, or, just the fries. You know, "Have It Your Way", from one of the most successful burger joints in the world. Canon is not dumb enough to try to push bundles vs cameras alone when it gains them nothing but frustrated potential customers and a loss of sales. No burger joint would do that either.
Somebody underestimated something. My bet is that supply chain issues were underestimated. Not just in getting cameras to the dealers but in even getting them made because of component and material shortages. It takes months to get a camera from the factory, into a container, onto a ship, across the ocean and into a port and from there to the distribution warehouses, and then on to the dealer. It takes only a couple of days to do the same by air. Before you claim that's too expensive, no, it's not. For that matter it has probably already been done numerous times by Canon and other camera manufacturers. If Canon is willing, as you claim, to offer a $100 discount to push a scheme that is obviously not working, and having seen the unfulfilled demand and heard from frustrated customers you can bet they would be loading up UPS 747s and FedEx MD11s as quickly as possible to get those cameras to the dealers. After all, sales is king, even if you have to eat some transportation costs. Right?
Canon doesn't have the product to ship. Somebody underestimated or got blindsided.
No, you completely misunderstand. Canon's not some... (show quote)


I didn’t misunderstand that at all. Yes the #1 issue is manufacturing not distribution. Of course you can’t sell what you don’t have. The thing is they apparently do have kits available, just not plain bodies. I don’t think it’s because they’re trying to force you to buy the lens. I’m pretty sure that they expected that most orders would be from people that were waiting for Canon to make a crop sensor camera with the RF mount. Because of that they also assumed most people buying the R7 would also want an RF mount lens. It turns out that a lot of my friends that got the R5 or R6 also added an R7 and they don’t need it want the new lens. I’m guessing by the time Canon realized this the kits were already in their logistics pipeline. I actually had the opposite issue when I ordered my OM-1. I ordered first day. I already had several M4/3 lenses but I wanted the new 12-40 Pro lens in the kit. They didn’t start shipping the lens until two weeks after the body so I had to wait longer for mine.

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Sep 21, 2022 15:56:41   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
robertjerl wrote:
Several airlines still fly the passenger version on really long hauls. Often with expanded business class sections etc.

Several major airfields around the world have companies that specialize in conversion of passenger versions to freighters.

Unless they get a last minute order for new ones, production is supposed to end next month when they complete delivery of their last order.

Boeing is testing the 777X to replace the 747 with the first deliveries to airlines planned for 2025.

My late Father worked as a ground crew foreman for Eastern Airlines at Lambert Field, St Louis (also state Vice-President for the Airline Workers and Machinist's Union) and a few months after I got out of the Army in 1969 they started seeing the first 747s. He said the first one or two to land at Lambert, parts of the airport including airline ground crews practically shut down as everyone who could think of an excuse scrambled to get a close look at them.
They earned the nickname "The Messiah" because so many getting their first look exclaimed "Jesus Christ" at the size of the plane inside and out.
Several airlines still fly the passenger version o... (show quote)


In the summer of '70, a few months away from my ETS from the Army, I was at Charleston International awaiting a flight. Those were the days when you waited at the chain link fence for the OK to walk out to board the 727. Out of the sky comes what looked more like a Navy ship then an airplane. Huge and grey. It was the very first C5A coming into Charleston Air Force Base, which shares the runway. Beautiful touchdown, but, as it slowed one tire kept going. Right down the runway until it finally flopped over in the median between the runway and the taxiway. Was still there when we took off. The C5A, of course, taxied in like nothing had happened.

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