Delivery of Canon R7? (Page 2): Don't underestimate Canon's decision making. By selling camera plus lens they are making more money. Many people, myself included, already have the...

Toby

LFingar wrote:

Increasing profits by selling kits? I haven't checked prices, but, if Canon is selling a body and lens together for less then the price if sold separately, which is the usual procedure, how does that increase profits? If the idea is that people are going to buy the kit for hundreds extra just to get the body, then sure, a few might, but the majority are just going to wait, or just buy something else. Possibly another brand even. Doesn't seem like much of a recipe for higher profits.

Don't underestimate Canon's decision making. By selling camera plus lens they are making more money. Many people, myself included, already have the lenses we need and resent being forced into buying an extra lens just to get the body sooner.

junglejim1949 Loc: Sacramento,CA

Toby wrote:

Don't underestimate Canon's decision making. By selling camera plus lens they are making more money. Many people, myself included, already have the lenses we need and resent being forced into buying an extra lens just to get the body sooner.

I totally agree Toby

MtManMD Loc: Beaverton, Oregon

I ordered mine directly from the Canon store on the release date. Missed the first shipment, but it came a few weeks later. On several occasions, I've ordered from B&H and waited weeks, then placed a 2nd order directly from Canon. Waited until one shipped then cancelled the other order. Canon store has always delivered first for me.

Toby

MtManMD wrote:

I ordered mine directly from the Canon store on the release date. Missed the first shipment, but it came a few weeks later. On several occasions, I've ordered from B&H and waited weeks, then placed a 2nd order directly from Canon. Waited until one shipped then cancelled the other order. Canon store has always delivered first for me.

Thanks for the info. I considered that but assumed that they would take care of their larger customers first. Maybe not. I may have to do that of I want something before Christmas.

MtManMD Loc: Beaverton, Oregon

Toby wrote:

Thanks for the info. I considered that but assumed that they would take care of their larger customers first. Maybe not. I may have to do that of I want something before Christmas.

The only downside is that you have to pay shipping when ordering from Canon where B&H has free shipping on larger orders.

johneb21945

Same here. Ordered it in the beginning of July and received it in August. I ordered mine with the kit lens. It seems if you just ordered the camera body alone, it was delayed further.

stevemdr

Ditto for me from B&H.

LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY

Toby wrote:

Don't underestimate Canon's decision making. By selling camera plus lens they are making more money. Many people, myself included, already have the lenses we need and resent being forced into buying an extra lens just to get the body sooner.

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how, by selling a kit which is $400 more then the body alone (just checked the price) with a lens that is $500 more then the body if sold separately, is more profitable then just selling all the bodies they can. If Canon's only interest was profits they could just add $100 to the price of the body and all those who just have to have it right now would still be lining up to buy it. Like every other competent manufacturer Canon's preferred profit margin is figured into the unit price, for both body and lens separately in this case. Combining them at a reduced price may not incur much loss, if any, in profits, but it darn sure is not some big profit generator especially when you consider the ill-will it can cause in the marketplace.
Has anyone considered that quite often the manufacturer offers what the dealers request? Canon's input from it's dealers may just be that they want kits.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

gwilliams6 wrote:

Very informative post . br br Your post highligh... (show quote)

Besides having a whole new camera to learn with a lot of settings in the menus that might as well be in Sanskrit (Hey! For Dummies - I need a book on the R7!!!) my main complaint is I think the 32.5MP sensor is a bit of overreach on a camera whose model number hints at being the replacement for the 7DII action oriented camera. Those tiny little pixels produce sharp images when clamped down with no movement-like in macro-but they are extremely prone to motion blur, the IBIS+IS in the lenses makes the R7 sensor (which I understand is also improved.) better in this way than my 90D, but it is still there. Perhaps they should have gone for an improved 24 to 26 MP sensor.

And while I am on it, why don't they make camera bodies so that when an improved sensor comes along you can get an upgrade without buying a whole new camera.
With film, if they brought out a faster/finer grain/better color etc. etc. film, I could just buy a few rolls and try them. I didn't have to buy a new camera.

I am sure those brainy designers could do that if their bosses wanted it.

MtManMD Loc: Beaverton, Oregon

LFingar wrote:

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how, by... (show quote)

I guess they are just making it up on volume!

Once upon a time I was a novice photographer and certainly have would have wanted to purchase an all-in-one kit package deal. Now I have a nice series of high-quality lenses and just want the new APS-c body to compliment my system. I suspect there are more people at the entry level purchasers than there are those like me, and Canon's marketing would know that.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

LFingar wrote:

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how, by... (show quote)

Maybe the "bargain" for the kits induces more sales, so a smaller profit per unit adds up to more profit in the long run.

Volume, volume, volume is king in mass market sales.

PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA

I ordered the body only the day it was announced back in May. I finally got tired of waiting and changed the order to the kit last week and got it 2 days later. I didn't really have much use for the lens but the GAS was strong. Actually, it helps me understand the manual where it talks about the control ring.

MtManMD Loc: Beaverton, Oregon

PHRubin wrote:

I ordered the body only the day it was announced back in May. I finally got tired of waiting and changed the order to the kit last week and got it 2 days later. I didn't really have much use for the lens but the GAS was strong. Actually, it helps me understand the manual where it talks about the control ring.

Having switched mostly to RF lenses, I've recently adopted use of the Control Ring. I ignored them at first. I shoot Manual + Auto-ISO, so the control rings allow me to quickly dial in an exposure compensation adjustment, and with the EVF see the effect.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

rehess wrote:

I wish people would stop using ‘kit lens’ as a pejorative. I purchased a Pentax “Super Program” kitted with a Pentax-A 50mm F/1.7 lens. Some years later I purchased a K-30, and as a ‘stunt’ used it with that old lens ….. I was shocked at how sharp it was on a digital camera.

Yep, if the greatest lens in all creation is put together with a body in a kit, it just became a "KIT LENS".

In the film days, you could make the greatest lens look about as sharp as a melted chocolate bar by putting in some Tri-X and pushing it to ridiculous extremes. But put in some Panatomic-X and suddenly the lens and camera combo were a "wannabe" electron microscope.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

MtManMD wrote:

I guess they are just making it up on volume! im... (show quote)

Ah, but more and more of those beginners are just going for the camera in their cell phone, or is that a snapshot oriented camera with a cell phone added???