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Jul 4, 2022 11:08:27   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
btbg wrote:
Doesn't matter what you are talking about. To condemn the best country in the world for a behavior that virtually every other country also did makes no sense. Our founding fathers went so far as to put provisions in the Constitution that would help ensure that s***ery eventually ended, yet instead of recognizing that was what the provisions were in their for now l*****ts use those provisions in an attempt to prove how evil they were.

The 3/5s provision is a perfect example. S***es were considered just 3/5s of a person not because they were of less value than free men, but because that kept s***e holding states from exerting more power in government to prevent change. Remember, state legislators are designated based on state population. The more people the more legislators a state is given. Had they counted s***es the same as free men the south would have had control of both the house and the senate and s***ery would not have ended. But, of course, now people try to claim that they were saying that b****s were less human than w****s, which was not the case at all.

It is one thing to work for change today. It is quite another to attempt to erase the very people that made it possible for you to have the freedom to criticize government. Their forward thinking gave us the greatest nation in the world, yet the left is hell bent on destroying it and rewriting our history.

You are using the same faulty reasoning that the left is currently using about Trump. Relative to Biden Trump was a great president. Relative to Lincoln not so much. You choose to dwell so much on the past that you can't even see what is going on in the present.
Doesn't matter what you are talking about. To cond... (show quote)


Criticize and condemn may both start with a C, but they don't mean the same thing. If I'm not free to criticize my country, just how free am I?

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Jul 4, 2022 12:31:04   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
thom w wrote:
Why do you see the woman as having no rights? There is no question as to whether she is a person. She can demand her rights, successfully or not. No fetus that I have ever heard of has stood up for their rights.


AH

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Jul 4, 2022 13:46:32   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
thom w wrote:
If Judaism is flawed, what does that say about Christianity that has origins in Judaism, and worships the same God?


I meant the Jewish approach to pregnancy that the foetus is only a part of the mother is not the real science.

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Jul 4, 2022 13:51:38   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Fotoartist wrote:
I meant the Jewish approach to pregnancy that the foetus is only a part of the mother is not the real science.


Neither is Genesis, so what Wonder why God didn't set them straight?

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Jul 4, 2022 15:44:44   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
btbg wrote:
Doesn't matter what you are talking about. To condemn the best country in the world for a behavior that virtually every other country also did makes no sense. Our founding fathers went so far as to put provisions in the Constitution that would help ensure that s***ery eventually ended, yet instead of recognizing that was what the provisions were in their for now l*****ts use those provisions in an attempt to prove how evil they were.

The 3/5s provision is a perfect example. S***es were considered just 3/5s of a person not because they were of less value than free men, but because that kept s***e holding states from exerting more power in government to prevent change. Remember, state legislators are designated based on state population. The more people the more legislators a state is given. Had they counted s***es the same as free men the south would have had control of both the house and the senate and s***ery would not have ended. But, of course, now people try to claim that they were saying that b****s were less human than w****s, which was not the case at all.

It is one thing to work for change today. It is quite another to attempt to erase the very people that made it possible for you to have the freedom to criticize government. Their forward thinking gave us the greatest nation in the world, yet the left is hell bent on destroying it and rewriting our history.

You are using the same faulty reasoning that the left is currently using about Trump. Relative to Biden Trump was a great president. Relative to Lincoln not so much. You choose to dwell so much on the past that you can't even see what is going on in the present.
Doesn't matter what you are talking about. To cond... (show quote)


Very good.
Libs only mindlessly regurgitate DNC talking points.

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Jul 4, 2022 16:03:22   #
btbg
 
DennyT wrote:
I hope you’re not talking about Dred Scott . Considered the worst decision in history of the court and one that was on fact a precursor to the civil war.

This stupid decision opined that a citizen of state was not necessarily a United States national decision.


I didn't say it was a good decision. I said the right to own s***es was granted to a black man by the courts because the person I was responsible ding to said b****s had no rights. Well, that wasn't true. S***es had no rights regardless of race but free b****s had rights.

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Jul 4, 2022 16:05:43   #
btbg
 
thom w wrote:
Criticize and condemn may both start with a C, but they don't mean the same thing. If I'm not free to criticize my country, just how free am I?


You have every right to critize your country precisely because of the people you are now criticizing. I have no problem with that criticism. My problem is with the failure to put it in historical context.

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Jul 5, 2022 08:14:44   #
bob44044 Loc: Ohio
 
Texcaster wrote:
“We hold these t***hs to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness ... "

So if everyone was so equal why did *Jefferson own his entire family?

*Although I can see the advantage of selling off the the dinner table troublemakers.


Your analogy does not have anything to do with each other. What a stretch.

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Jul 9, 2022 10:20:34   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Are we a muslim nation then?
You lack of knowledge of the founders and the founding of this nation is lacking.
All you seem to know are stupid and moronic talking points fed to you by the DNC.


No, Archie, we are not a Muslim nation either.
We are not a religion-based nation and that's the part you "Christians" seem to be stuck on.
I probably have a much better grasp of the founding fathers than you, although that's truly not difficult. Your view is based upon your beliefs and then projecting them to the founding fathers.
In the end, they were not infallible nor were they god-like. They were only a bunch of rich white guys.
In the end, we don't even have the best form of government (my opinion). Look at Great Britain. When they lost faith in the Prime Minister, he resigned. In the USA when 70% of the country lost faith in Fat Donny, he tried to violently take over the Capital to change the e******n.

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Jul 9, 2022 10:32:19   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Frank T wrote:
No, Archie, we are not a Muslim nation either.
We are not a religion-based nation and that's the part you "Christians" seem to be stuck on.
I probably have a much better grasp of the founding fathers than you, although that's truly not difficult. Your view is based upon your beliefs and then projecting them to the founding fathers.
In the end, they were not infallible nor were they god-like. They were only a bunch of rich white guys.
In the end, we don't even have the best form of government (my opinion). Look at Great Britain. When they lost faith in the Prime Minister, he resigned. In the USA when 70% of the country lost faith in Fat Donny, he tried to violently take over the Capital to change the e******n.
No, Archie, we are not a Muslim nation either. br... (show quote)


Your total ignorance is not surprising.
The USA is a Christian nation founded upon Christian values.
No matter how hard i***t libs deny it with stupid lib propaganda as sources it is a Christian nation as founded.
I win, you totally lose like all h**e America first libs here.

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Jul 9, 2022 10:37:10   #
Triple G
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Your total ignorance is not surprising.
The USA is a Christian nation founded upon Christian values.
No matter how hard i***t libs deny it with stupid lib propaganda as sources it is a Christian nation as founded.
I win, you totally lose like all h**e America first libs here.


Judeo-Christian values! But, MAGA christians are trying to supplant all other religions. I’m happy that my congregation is not! Those ‘patriot church christian” zealots are dangerous.

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Jul 9, 2022 11:31:30   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Your total ignorance is not surprising.
The USA is a Christian nation founded upon Christian values.
No matter how hard i***t libs deny it with stupid lib propaganda as sources it is a Christian nation as founded.
I win, you totally lose like all h**e America first libs here.


In response to an id!to Red Hatter, allow me to say that you could not be more wrong. The United States is not now, nor was it ever a country based upon any religion and that includes Christianity.

In 1791, in the Treaty of Tripoli, the United States declared, “[t]he government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” 1 Proposals have been made to amend the United States Constitution to make it a Christian nation, but never have these attracted sufficient support to be seriously considered.

Additionally, the most visible reference to god on our currency are the words, "In God We Trust". This was added in 1955, and added into the Pledge of Allegiance in 1956, quite a few years after 1776 and 1789, although it did appear on coins going back as far as 1864.
In the end, this too was a joke. I recall seeing signs in local stores saying, "In God We Trust, All others pay cash".

Now that I've given you some of the facts, you will go on with your deluded view that this is a Christian Nation. I attribute this to you being a zealot who has intentionally blinded himself to the t***h. But, if you thought of anything in a logical way, you would understand that religions, in general, requires blind faith and stupidity for their survival.

Go forth and pray to the invisible man that lives in the sky.

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Jul 9, 2022 11:36:48   #
SuneBonobo Loc: Maryland
 
rmalarz wrote:
Bob, you make a good point.

Now, let's look at the First Amendment to the Constitution. In that amendment, one of the freedoms stated is religious freedom. To that end, we need to look at the Jewish approach to pregnancy in that the fetus is only a part of the mother and doesn't become a human being until it is born. So, how does that correspond to your statements here?

I only offer this as a point of conversation.
--Bob


I would counter that by saying the fetus (baby?) has it's own unique DNA code. If it was just "part" of the mother, it would have just her DNA.

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Jul 9, 2022 11:39:04   #
SuneBonobo Loc: Maryland
 
Frank T wrote:
In response to an id!to Red Hatter, allow me to say that you could not be more wrong. The United States is not now, nor was it ever a country based upon any religion and that includes Christianity.

In 1791, in the Treaty of Tripoli, the United States declared, “[t]he government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” 1 Proposals have been made to amend the United States Constitution to make it a Christian nation, but never have these attracted sufficient support to be seriously considered.

Additionally, the most visible reference to god on our currency are the words, "In God We Trust". This was added in 1955, and added into the Pledge of Allegiance in 1956, quite a few years after 1776 and 1789, although it did appear on coins going back as far as 1864.
In the end, this too was a joke. I recall seeing signs in local stores saying, "In God We Trust, All others pay cash".

Now that I've given you some of the facts, you will go on with your deluded view that this is a Christian Nation. I attribute this to you being a zealot who has intentionally blinded himself to the t***h. But, if you thought of anything in a logical way, you would understand that religions, in general, requires blind faith and stupidity for their survival.

Go forth and pray to the invisible man that lives in the sky.
In response to an id!to Red Hatter, allow me to sa... (show quote)


Technically you are correct in that it is not a "Christian" nation. But it was certainly founded on Judeo Christian values and laws.

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Jul 9, 2022 11:43:52   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Are we a muslim nation then?
You lack of knowledge of the founders and the founding of this nation is lacking.
All you seem to know are stupid and moronic talking points fed to you by the DNC.


If not christian then Muslim? Sounds a bit shallow, but then so do you.

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