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Jul 9, 2022 11:48:26   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
btbg wrote:
You have every right to critize your country precisely because of the people you are now criticizing. I have no problem with that criticism. My problem is with the failure to put it in historical context.


You and I can put it into historical context. If you had a parent, or grand parent who had been ens***ed, would you be able to put it into historical context?

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Jul 9, 2022 11:50:35   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Your total ignorance is not surprising.
The USA is a Christian nation founded upon Christian values.
No matter how hard i***t libs deny it with stupid lib propaganda as sources it is a Christian nation as founded.
I win, you totally lose like all h**e America first libs here.


What you don't understand is that if you win, we all lose.

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Jul 9, 2022 16:08:32   #
btbg
 
thom w wrote:
You and I can put it into historical context. If you had a parent, or grand parent who had been ens***ed, would you be able to put it into historical context?


No one alive in the U.S. today has a parent or grandparent that was ens***ed, at least in the manner you are referring to. S***ery still exists today, but in the U.S. it is primarily sex s***es or i*****l i*******ts who have been ens***ed by those who brought them into the country.

I have grandparents that were sharecroppers, that's about as close as anyone gets today to what you are talking about. So, yes, it is important to put things in historical context. Our country has a r****t history, but it also has a history of bettering itself and attempting to correct problems. Victim mentality does nothing to change the past, but it does much to hinder progress.

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Jul 9, 2022 16:38:30   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
btbg wrote:
No one alive in the U.S. today has a parent or grandparent that was ens***ed, at least in the manner you are referring to. S***ery still exists today, but in the U.S. it is primarily sex s***es or i*****l i*******ts who have been ens***ed by those who brought them into the country.

I have grandparents that were sharecroppers, that's about as close as anyone gets today to what you are talking about. So, yes, it is important to put things in historical context. Our country has a r****t history, but it also has a history of bettering itself and attempting to correct problems. Victim mentality does nothing to change the past, but it does much to hinder progress.
No one alive in the U.S. today has a parent or gra... (show quote)

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Jul 9, 2022 16:46:21   #
SuneBonobo Loc: Maryland
 
btbg wrote:
No one alive in the U.S. today has a parent or grandparent that was ens***ed, at least in the manner you are referring to. S***ery still exists today, but in the U.S. it is primarily sex s***es or i*****l i*******ts who have been ens***ed by those who brought them into the country.

I have grandparents that were sharecroppers, that's about as close as anyone gets today to what you are talking about. So, yes, it is important to put things in historical context. Our country has a r****t history, but it also has a history of bettering itself and attempting to correct problems. Victim mentality does nothing to change the past, but it does much to hinder progress.
No one alive in the U.S. today has a parent or gra... (show quote)


I h**e to do this so please don't hold it against me. I feel bad enough doing it and feel like I have to take a bath. But I'm gonna defend Thom. It's certainly possible though a rarity to find someone alive today whose parent was a s***e, let alone a grandparent. If a person's about 90 and his father was planting seed at 70 with a younger woman you can see where it's certainly possible.

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Jul 9, 2022 18:27:51   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
bob44044 wrote:
Your analogy does not have anything to do with each other. What a stretch.


My 'analogy', as you call it, are the facts of the time pilgrim. Remember those things? Before trump and 'alternative facts'?

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Jul 9, 2022 18:33:51   #
cwp3420
 
Frank T wrote:
If you're not an evangelical Christian, the Constitution and/or the Declaration of Independence do not apply to your rights. While we're at it, if you're not a White Male, who doesn't own land, the Constitution does not apply to you either.
If you are Black, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence didn't affect you either. It continued S***ery and you were considered property.
Please, don't tell me we are a Christian nation, we aren't, nor were we organized as a Christian Nation. It's all bulls**t. The founding fathers were a bunch of rich white guys who didn't want to pay taxes. Now in 2022, we have devolved to seeing a bunch of rich White guys who don't want to pay taxes being in charge of our government.
If you're not an evangelical Christian, the Consti... (show quote)


I see you failed history in your pissant New York Public School system. We’re you last in class or second to the last?

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Jul 9, 2022 18:34:22   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
btbg wrote:
No one alive in the U.S. today has a parent or grandparent that was ens***ed, at least in the manner you are referring to. S***ery still exists today, but in the U.S. it is primarily sex s***es or i*****l i*******ts who have been ens***ed by those who brought them into the country.

I have grandparents that were sharecroppers, that's about as close as anyone gets today to what you are talking about. So, yes, it is important to put things in historical context. Our country has a r****t history, but it also has a history of bettering itself and attempting to correct problems. Victim mentality does nothing to change the past, but it does much to hinder progress.
No one alive in the U.S. today has a parent or gra... (show quote)


btbg - "S***ery still exists in the today, but in the U.S. it is primarily sex s***es or i*****l i*******ts who have been ens***ed by those who brought them into the country."

The s***ery that exists today in the US is 'de facto s***ery'.

'Chattel s***ery' was the original US sin. 'Chattel s***ery' is legal property, protected by law.

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Jul 9, 2022 18:34:46   #
cwp3420
 
thom w wrote:
Why do you see the woman as having no rights? There is no question as to whether she is a person. She can demand her rights, successfully or not. No fetus that I have ever heard of has stood up for their rights.


No, because people like you k**led them before they could.

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Jul 9, 2022 18:40:13   #
cwp3420
 
Frank T wrote:
No, Archie, we are not a Muslim nation either.
We are not a religion-based nation and that's the part you "Christians" seem to be stuck on.
I probably have a much better grasp of the founding fathers than you, although that's truly not difficult. Your view is based upon your beliefs and then projecting them to the founding fathers.
In the end, they were not infallible nor were they god-like. They were only a bunch of rich white guys.
In the end, we don't even have the best form of government (my opinion). Look at Great Britain. When they lost faith in the Prime Minister, he resigned. In the USA when 70% of the country lost faith in Fat Donny, he tried to violently take over the Capital to change the e******n.
No, Archie, we are not a Muslim nation either. br... (show quote)


So by your reasoning we should kick FJB out of the Presidency now?

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Jul 9, 2022 18:41:04   #
cwp3420
 
Triple G wrote:
Judeo-Christian values! But, MAGA christians are trying to supplant all other religions. I’m happy that my congregation is not! Those ‘patriot church christian” zealots are dangerous.


So what heretic religion are you a member of?

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Jul 9, 2022 21:35:51   #
btbg
 
SuneBonobo wrote:
I h**e to do this so please don't hold it against me. I feel bad enough doing it and feel like I have to take a bath. But I'm gonna defend Thom. It's certainly possible though a rarity to find someone alive today whose parent was a s***e, let alone a grandparent. If a person's about 90 and his father was planting seed at 70 with a younger woman you can see where it's certainly possible.


It's been 163 years since there have been any s***es in the U.S.I will concede that it might be possible for a person alive today to have a grandparent who was a s***e, but I think you will have a lot of trouble finding someone who had a parent who was a s***e.

The reality is that does not change my point. There has been ample time for people to better themselves. R****m was rampant when I was in college in the 70s. People would leave restaurants when our sports teams came in and some restaurants refused us service. Those times are long gone. At this point in time if someone is not succeeding on their own it is on them, not on society. For example are you aware that Black immigrants to the U.S. on average make more money than w****s born in the U.S. while b****s born in the U.S. make far less. That means it is not race causing the financial gap, it is caused by something else.

Yes there is still r****m, but that isn't what is holding people back.

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Jul 9, 2022 21:37:16   #
btbg
 
Texcaster wrote:
btbg - "S***ery still exists in the today, but in the U.S. it is primarily sex s***es or i*****l i*******ts who have been ens***ed by those who brought them into the country."

The s***ery that exists today in the US is 'de facto s***ery'.

'Chattel s***ery' was the original US sin. 'Chattel s***ery' is legal property, protected by law.


I acknowledge that. What's you point. That isn't what Thom was talking about and you know it.

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Jul 9, 2022 21:55:02   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
btbg wrote:
I acknowledge that. What's you point. That isn't what Thom was talking about and you know it.


I had no idea what Thom was on about but you were equating chattel s***ery with illegal s***ery.

It happens all the time here in this echo chamber..

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Jul 10, 2022 08:50:47   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
rmalarz wrote:
The New Testament was written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Though they may have started life as members of the Jewish faith, they are looked upon as Catholics, at least once Paul formed, what was then, the foundation of the Catholic religion. However, the Jewish faith doesn't recognize The New Testament as part of Torah or the Talmud.

According to Rabbi David M. Feldman, The a******n question in talmudic law begins with an examination of the fetus' legal status. For this the Talmud has a phrase, ubar yerekh imo, a
counterpart of the Latin pars viscera matris. The fetus is deemed a "part of its mother" rather than an independent entity."*


* https://www.rabbinicalassembly.org/sites/default/files/public/halakhah/teshuvot/19861990/feldman_a******n.pdf

So, once again, there is a confrontation of a religious belief and The First Amendment provides for freedom of religion. It is possible that the founding fathers delt with a very small minority of those of the Jewish faith if any at all. They based the vast majority of freedoms and rights on Christian doctrine and paid little heed to faiths to which they were unacquainted.
--Bob
The New Testament was written by Matthew, Mark, Lu... (show quote)


Bob....There are some good books on the development of the New Testament Canon.

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