The Declaration of Independence on the Constitution inexorably tied together (Page 2): Who said the President thought that? Only sick perverted losers say that. I remember the libs...

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Texcaster wrote:

If you understood your readings of Jefferson, you would be mightily POed that an incompetent like Trump thought he could flip the Constitution and no one would notice.

Who said the President thought that?
Only sick perverted losers say that.
I remember the libs declared Bush as illegitimate and they challenged Trump's legitimacy for 4 years.
Hypocrite i***ts all.

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Architect1776 wrote:

Who said the President thought that?
Only sick perverted losers say that.
I remember the libs declared Bush as illegitimate and they challenged Trump's legitimacy for 4 years.
Hypocrite i***ts all.

You're blind to the arrogant, almost flippant entitlement of this low rent, *wannabee-free-and-fair-e******n-flipper

" ... A newly released memo shows that Trump told the acting attorney general: ‘Just say the e******n was corrupt [and] leave the rest to me and the [Republican] congressmen’ ... "

That alone used to end careers.

The Libs protested Bush's court win and left it at that. But you, you're made of the 5th Ave ... 'fabrique especial'.

* failed c**p leader

btbg

rmalarz wrote:

Bob, you make a good point.

Now, let's look at the First Amendment to the Constitution. In that amendment, one of the freedoms stated is religious freedom. To that end, we need to look at the Jewish approach to pregnancy in that the fetus is only a part of the mother and doesn't become a human being until it is born. So, how does that correspond to your statements here?

I only offer this as a point of conversation.
--Bob

If the baby had the same DNA as the mother that position would make sense, but it does not, so k*****g a fetus is k*****g a separate life. And, not all Jews believe that way, just some of them.

btbg

Frank T wrote:

If you're not an evangelical Christian, the Consti... (show quote)

You need to look more carefully at history. The court case where the Supreme Court ruled s***ery to be legal was brought by a black man who owned s***es. Yes there were s***es. Yes, most of them were black. But not all b****s were s***es and not all s***eholders were white.

The other thing where you are not getting the whole picture is that when it comes to s***ery the U.S. purchased far fewer s***es than many other countries. The s***e trade originated with b****s trading with arabs, and in the new world most s***e trading was in the Caribbean. You see, where the left gets things wrong is that the left seems to think that because our country did some things wrong in the past that makes the entire history of the country evil. But, the reality is that when compared to the rest of the world people have always had far more freedom here than elsewhere. Why do you think that throughout history immigrants have wanted so badly to come to the U.S.?

Laramie Loc: Tempe

btbg wrote:

You need to look more carefully at history. The court case where the Supreme Court ruled s***ery to be legal was brought by a black man who owned s***es. Yes there were s***es. Yes, most of them were black. But not all b****s were s***es and not all s***eholders were white.

The other thing where you are not getting the whole picture is that when it comes to s***ery the U.S. purchased far fewer s***es than many other countries.

That's an easy line, but we aren't talking about other countries.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Texcaster wrote:

You're blind to the arrogant, almost flippant enti... (show quote)

Memo?
Who actually wrote it?
Schiff?

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

btbg wrote:

You need to look more carefully at history. The co... (show quote)

What difference does it make as to what race the owner of s***es was or was not?
S***ery is wrong. Full stop. The founding fathers owned s***es. Thus, the founding fathers were wrong.
No, our country's history is not entirely evil, however, ignoring the evil we've done just makes the country ripe to repeat it. If German school children can learn about N**is, Concentration Camps, and the k*****g of 6 million Jews, along with gypsies and Albanians, then American school children can learn of the evils of s***ery.

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Frank T wrote:

What difference does it make as to what race the o... (show quote)

...or be like Japan.

They reared two generations that knew nothing about Japan's pre-WWII rampage through China or WWII atrocities.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Frank T wrote:

What difference does it make as to what race the o... (show quote)

Greeks, British, Romans, Africans in Africa, Chinese and hundreds of others owned s***es.
I***ts in today's society here in the USA forget that there are perhaps millions of s***es this very minute throughout the muslim world. Where is the hue and cry about that?
You have to live in the era or understand it through the prisim of that era and not look at it like I***ts do looking at the period and judging it by 21st century standards such as they are.
PS, thousands of s***es are currently being smuggled across our Southern border daily.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

rmalarz wrote:

Bob, you make a good point.

Now, let's look at the First Amendment to the Constitution. In that amendment, one of the freedoms stated is religious freedom. To that end, we need to look at the Jewish approach to pregnancy in that the fetus is only a part of the mother and doesn't become a human being until it is born. So, how does that correspond to your statements here?

I only offer this as a point of conversation.
--Bob

The Jewish concept is flawed science. The baby has separate and distinct DNA from the mother.

The real conundrum is that the Constitution applies only to individuals who are actually born.

Hence, SCOTUS' reasoning was that they could not make a Constitutional judgement and ruling on the issue.

btbg

Laramie wrote:

That's an easy line, but we aren't talking about other countries.

Doesn't matter what you are talking about. To condemn the best country in the world for a behavior that virtually every other country also did makes no sense. Our founding fathers went so far as to put provisions in the Constitution that would help ensure that s***ery eventually ended, yet instead of recognizing that was what the provisions were in their for now l*****ts use those provisions in an attempt to prove how evil they were.

The 3/5s provision is a perfect example. S***es were considered just 3/5s of a person not because they were of less value than free men, but because that kept s***e holding states from exerting more power in government to prevent change. Remember, state legislators are designated based on state population. The more people the more legislators a state is given. Had they counted s***es the same as free men the south would have had control of both the house and the senate and s***ery would not have ended. But, of course, now people try to claim that they were saying that b****s were less human than w****s, which was not the case at all.

It is one thing to work for change today. It is quite another to attempt to erase the very people that made it possible for you to have the freedom to criticize government. Their forward thinking gave us the greatest nation in the world, yet the left is hell bent on destroying it and rewriting our history.

You are using the same faulty reasoning that the left is currently using about Trump. Relative to Biden Trump was a great president. Relative to Lincoln not so much. You choose to dwell so much on the past that you can't even see what is going on in the present.

btbg

Frank T wrote:

What difference does it make as to what race the o... (show quote)

It makes a huge difference what race the owner was. Because the current narrative is that B****s had no rights. That is not true. S***es had no rights regardless of their race. Free men had rights.

I'm fine with teaching American school children the evils of s***ery. But, that's not what critical race theory is doing. It is claiming that w****s are evil because of past sins, and is teaching that b****s are victims because of the past. And, that victim mentality is doing a great deal of harm. B****s born in the U.S. as a group are some of the poorest people in the country, but b****s that immigrated to our country make more in income than the average white. That means the opportunity is there. Yet, now people are calling for r********ns even though no one currently alive has been disadvantaged from s***ery. No one is arguing that s***ery is evil. We are saying that our founding fathers had tremendous foresight and allowed for the freedoms that we currently have. Yet people are now trying to define them as evil based on the moral norms of today rather than the way the world was then. That is wrong. They set up the mechanism for us as a nation to better ourselves. For that they should be celebrated, not torn down.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

btbg wrote:

You need to look more carefully at history. The co... (show quote)

Perspective is an interesting word you might want to look into.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Fotoartist wrote:

The Jewish concept is flawed science. The baby has separate and distinct DNA from the mother.

The real conundrum is that the Constitution applies only to individuals who are actually born.

Hence, SCOTUS' reasoning was that they could not make a Constitutional judgement and ruling on the issue.

If Judaism is flawed, what does that say about Christianity that has origins in Judaism, and worships the same God?

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

btbg wrote:

You need to look more carefully at history. The co... (show quote)

I hope you’re not talking about Dred Scott . Considered the worst decision in history of the court and one that was on fact a precursor to the civil war.

This stupid decision opined that a citizen of state was not necessarily a United States national decision.