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Trying to establish the time period of this photograph.
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Jan 12, 2022 15:16:55   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
moonhawk wrote:
Doesn't look like the same woman to me, but I coukd be wrong. Interesting discussion.


I don't think it's Alice Roosevelt either. There are many photos available of the Dowager Empress and a number of photos of Alice Roosevelt's trip to China. But, I can't find this image, or anything like it, anywhere. Assuming it is not a composite, I think those are two other woman in the photo, probably taken some time around the beginning of the 20th century.

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Jan 12, 2022 16:45:46   #
mniblick
 
The hat style of the Western woman is clearly not from 1862. It is 1880s to 1890's style.

If only we could see the EXIF for this photo.

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Jan 12, 2022 16:56:46   #
bobfitz Loc: Kendall-Miami, Florida
 
The clothing worn by the woman on the left is similar to the fashion around the time of the Titanic. I would guess1910-1920.

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Jan 12, 2022 17:11:19   #
John H. Loc: Central Washington State
 
Take a small snip of the face and hat, carry that to Google images search.
This picture will show, and you can translate; as I have just done.
I do not know enough about the people involved, but it seems others do.

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Jan 12, 2022 20:05:55   #
canonclicker
 
mwsilvers wrote:
I agree. The clothing worn by that woman in the photo dates from the early 1900s. Here is an image of Alice Roosevelt wearing a different but similar outfit, with a longer coat, and a different hat on her 1905 cruise to China. While the OP's image doesn't look exactly like the many photos available of Alice Roosevelt, it seems pretty close and could be her.

Additionally, Empress Cixi was 70 years old in 1905 and existing photos of her later in life show a very different looking woman. So, I am guessing that it is either Alice Roosevelt with someone other than the Empress or someone other than Alice Roosevelt with someone other than the Empress, in which case the image could be a bit earlier than 1905, but certainly not 1862.
I agree. The clothing worn by that woman in the ph... (show quote)


Look at this photo it must be a current photo in recent years. Look carefully at the lady! In her right hand is a cell phone. I can't tell if it is an Android or an Apple, but this makes it a photo of 2019-2022.

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Jan 12, 2022 23:07:10   #
User ID
 
canonclicker wrote:
Look at this photo it must be a current photo in recent years. Look carefully at the lady! In her right hand is a cell phone. I can't tell if it is an Android or an Apple, but this makes it a photo of 2019-2022.

It’s neither. It’s not cellular. It’s a special NSA satellite transceiver.

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Jan 13, 2022 00:27:05   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
Maybe 1862 is not a date at all? What is the character in blue following the date?

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Jan 13, 2022 00:42:38   #
User ID
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
Maybe 1862 is not a date at all? What is the character in blue following the date?

Try reading the thread.

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Jan 13, 2022 01:11:45   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
User ID wrote:
Try reading the thread.


You tell me what I missed.

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Jan 13, 2022 03:29:13   #
User ID
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
You tell me what I missed.

Most of the thread, near as I can tell.

Try reading more slowly, and perhaps take notes. Taking notes can lead the reader to notice points of interest that might otherwise just drift right on by.

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Jan 13, 2022 04:07:13   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
User ID wrote:
Most of the thread, near as I can tell.

Try reading more slowly, and perhaps take notes. Taking notes can lead the reader to notice points of interest that might otherwise just drift right on by.


Can you ever give a straight answer or is that beyond you--ID--Anonymous?

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Jan 13, 2022 07:35:41   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
User ID wrote:
Most of the thread, near as I can tell.

Try reading more slowly, and perhaps take notes. Taking notes can lead the reader to notice points of interest that might otherwise just drift right on by.


Stop it!!!

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Jan 13, 2022 07:36:51   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Fredrick wrote:
You forgot PST.



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Jan 13, 2022 11:01:40   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
User ID wrote:
It’s neither. It’s not cellular. It’s a special NSA satellite transceiver.



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Jan 13, 2022 11:09:18   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
You tell me what I missed.

This is what you missed. We already established that it is very unlikely the date is 1862. It is also not The Dowager Empress, and probably not Alice Roosevelt. There are many, many photographs available of both of them. The hat and clothes of the western woman indicates the photo was probably taken around the turn of the 20th century. Even if it is Alice Roosevelt she wasn't born until 1884 and did not visit China until 1905 when she was 21 years old.

As an addendum Alice Roosevelt died in 1980 at the age of 96.

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